From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa1-x2d.google.com (mail-oa1-x2d.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7FFB3B2A4 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2023 02:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oa1-x2d.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-1e1e25ab32bso3681973fac.1 for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2023 23:37:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1696919872; x=1697524672; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7OvyUxIOj6b02wDlt9eP/y66SEqHH+rO0o44jtnSDtQ=; b=eUcQ1ukXb91iENSUiPB8yfO0q+9ysuUT1wIK++SnI2Z8KjqDdfYKmIAzGLC3QFYNwI 9AToEf8zeirhNV6Az2XdySfdNqDVi5wQ6bQXtmPagEX05iFsUWIHbttN01VlCCxQ7i9r aghkp2dW2dGKIcVtu88kVFqLQl49wIugxbesCLPvCtAgxZh/nXsbkXb69WCjoguFZzUO UlpXH+5U7Zz3jPYCoSdDHXi9aNfHgtt5hYSu3JDpeMQSH7pozuhNDUflW52ngaM7wr0T ImrjXNkMJb1y6oJaSpsMRb0V6gkoe7OxUlzp5cain8Zj6Rn9A+FoRR5aV0sUmpcEIDJM xAcw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1696919872; x=1697524672; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=7OvyUxIOj6b02wDlt9eP/y66SEqHH+rO0o44jtnSDtQ=; b=QW5G6/1qPBrD48Y8Dv00a8xuGVTXQSfCOHzM+e6eGg0vbvbRxCJVmHMEJMH05Qt+u1 tAmDJQvF/g/Gd4H/zmMF+bF5hmfGD8EwZonBPRh6xQNv4n7WRsJ7LTsIh3c95tpOumz0 hk0btNGxaXHRaw7MNnc1a4TlH1YWH3Oipiwhbr0BpsKTmeQPwff5rxOPMOtAhO+6UQoz fQHmZPE2qKavMF9SZaFXeyL+7tK/iA606KqCTd5hT7ObVJtYNTaamWi1+Mbok76Xb8pr aYGkrG9V+aS/STbjdthfTjOMGCgYJMXUHLW+rGzwmPR/b7haVqMS78dkAE3001XYOWnq J8Nw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzFVk+cqPofsoErrI3sYuoSycx1QKXgdJLiv82oVv3+PUNvx/5Q Yd/xTNx4iwrWDskJ7J+61qZpqsTBfCYTdmmu7E6z/gg8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGnTs4+qenK/im0zqOo5438ypzM7rlQTRA/fT6QJBwQlBnEjwc9HE88O9zJQxQRoNwVQckenpXPylvLU1t9vP4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:c092:b0:1d5:f22f:7a00 with SMTP id c18-20020a056870c09200b001d5f22f7a00mr20744578oad.27.1696919872298; Mon, 09 Oct 2023 23:37:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2023 23:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [NNagain] Modes of conduct X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 06:37:53 -0000 I have often longed to have a countdown timer in a video conference to take the speaker off the stage, as well as for the audience vote en-mass and anonymously to do that or extend time. Most projects these days have adopted a code of conduct that has protections against all sorts of discrimination, and has had something of a chilling effect on basic forms of humor - and I wish that more had a code of ethics attached, and even more that automated assistance existed to recognize various manipulation techniques. We found it necessary in this project to - Not so far as Roberts rules of order, we (Pete Heist) wrote: "With a scientific approach there is no need to argue over anything with stress, or to give others coronaries, as it were. There is no shame in being =E2=80=9Cwrong=E2=80=9D, nor everlasting glory in being =E2= =80=9Cright=E2=80=9D, about anything, if one yields to well-gathered evidence. There=E2=80=99s just the scientific process. The bulldozer of science. We suggest this - and a good sense of humor! - as a part of any policy to avoid logical fallacies, and to at least admit or recognize them when we do. We don=E2=80=99t see too many logical fallacies from this crowd. What we se= e more often is that we sometimes lack the data to draw certain conclusions, because we don=E2=80=99t always have the time and resources to collect it. So we use our intuition when we have to (and there are some pretty darn good ones in this group), but we do have to be careful about what final conclusions we draw. Assertions and hypotheses for sake of discussion starters should be fine, and we shouldn=E2=80=99t be afraid to be wrong with those, lest we freeze before saying or trying anything. We will try to avoid Argumentum ad baculum, Proof by intimidation, Thought terminating cliche=E2=80=99s, Single cause fallacies, Regression fallacies, Proof by repeated Assertion, and Argument from authority." -- https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/ecn-sane/wiki/rules/ --=20 Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.htm= l Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos