From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yb1-xb31.google.com (mail-yb1-xb31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 578033B2A4 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yb1-xb31.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-d865db5b4c7so1317078276.1 for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2023 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1696356859; x=1696961659; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=bZ/HWXUvue+4RbG5HwfvvUW3jgVaWXEYziqwUNFOBKQ=; b=EF8c1qhnlXTP25Zsn2o0zlcotRPTUcAIfXmowy4Wca1BgrlBjuyAHTCaB7OP37GvjU gRKLNPhVj7tkvKRG+FJ52xlzRo83eW+OjrsTz+zctI2C3YN0lgrbOLKM98SE/mVMWxUZ vbyujhGByWkgf/JcPJhcQoVdg39nb6ZbFcpPzCql7pqMEKK63x4Y/cyslQ+kf0YL4LCU VpEf1RKZFP6A74cJSnWQGthZeuRzxfJ/GFp9kKLAxXwdpasQ0C/YFiekyMkVSA4w2lNa d4t5q22/btZ0LMTIxQQ5HWlBYBR7DyIc+/2BLV5SmPwpBeDBrzex9vDCJLG7LOhlfo8J UrKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1696356859; x=1696961659; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=bZ/HWXUvue+4RbG5HwfvvUW3jgVaWXEYziqwUNFOBKQ=; b=ebLQLdX2JZuDsFVEBGtKusGMbbUkezO4iJAOOTCTuFnSiPI7mHzDjOLHWBMpDqkJcT zkSNSdr8sT8jEsHe2S5DiXo6Ftg+4hvcDHRktlJKOpfWNJA0064Bi129esX1rObSTvGr xNTgdMkSERNMmMNIAbcrV5NNhoXzdLVslwF8IexZqNBUtpzkApW+ASRt6dWhdnBgTn1l Q1Ccl+6VxRZANevTUR1qhvSuBsFMSefGP/p2an4S3kAcN51rYnRabPEnFW9kKTf2jv0F 14UJqxPqz7ctHhqxmBPQKayOAtoxfY/Z7GdrL23aI/YGvBvsTvySW4OWy0R6D7J/uKP9 AXtA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy1dV9sC91GLvmh9X602P7qHkRnhJoy1D9wOx1ZxKzKN8+5jnfj scVF+JiPi5tNi5qCWM1RxZVEyaIuVQELEeaHAwpSd4aY85DFcA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHaCwXuWipRuhYZKQWbUpKXH7kBT0w+jd4Pyh7Fi8r/ni2X0ULMpDtyKH253q8PqwlWCbDsMM2FBwNgtsXchNs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:1204:b0:d81:c512:e542 with SMTP id s4-20020a056902120400b00d81c512e542mr49635ybu.31.1696356859354; Tue, 03 Oct 2023 11:14:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6D7F7242-248B-4FD4-BEDA-EE931B7DFE3C@andyring.com> <0a158308-e0c1-4722-8013-745e3ded232d@app.fastmail.com> <1B7534EB-2FCE-4500-B53D-F1DFEED1DBC7@gmx.de> <8dbe2688ccf5b9e976a03e8e4f36fb4d@rjmcmahon.com> <9E96A830-CE03-44FC-925B-77896FD6976E@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: From: dan Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2023 12:14:08 -0600 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000003a3eb0606d3dc35" Subject: Re: [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2023 18:14:20 -0000 --00000000000003a3eb0606d3dc35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:10=E2=80=AFPM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Bob - *"beyond FWA which is limited by physics and is energy inefficient, > a net negative to climate mitigations"* - why FWA should be energy > inefficient and net negative to climate mitigation? > > I know that I'm drifting this conversation off again, but I strongly > disagree with this statement. > > 100%. Some of this group may be sick of seeing my solar builds in the matrix chat... we're running FWA radios that run 3-9W, less power than a typical cable modem or ONU. We're running sites with hundreds of customers burning up 100W on solar power. We've built 2 new sites this week running entirely on solar power. I don't know how much greener you get... We don't even run generators there, just add more solar so we can run the site on overcast production. --00000000000003a3eb0606d3dc35 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:10=E2=80=AF= PM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Bo= b - "beyond FWA which is=C2=A0limited by physics and i= s energy inefficient, a net negative to climate=C2=A0mitigatio= ns" - why FWA should be energy inefficient and net negative to cli= mate mitigation?

I know that I'm d= rifting this conversation off again, but I strongly disagree with this stat= ement.

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100%.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Some of this group may be sick of seeing my solar builds in th= e matrix chat...=C2=A0 =C2=A0we're running FWA radios that run 3-9W, le= ss power than a typical cable modem or ONU.=C2=A0 We're running sites w= ith hundreds of customers burning up 100W on solar power.=C2=A0 =C2=A0We= 9;ve built 2 new sites this week running entirely on solar power.=C2=A0 I d= on't know how much greener you get...=C2=A0 We don't even run gener= ators there, just add more solar so we can run the site on overcast product= ion.=C2=A0=C2=A0

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