From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oi1-x230.google.com (mail-oi1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD49B3CB37 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 03:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oi1-x230.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3ae5ce4a4ceso393730b6e.1 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 00:25:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697095539; x=1697700339; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=azbWqXTx/qZEZN9ae/o2f7aaiPugni6HCbouJJ7G4CM=; b=Ln87vipx0DGGPt7iBftGWwFvND8ctjIL1izPRvngpZvMPVFg7DxVkJzY8x8QfF6nmX HYqw+t4x1Q6U4YhR795VFHqj6ueE6p3FWZlXh+bHfPHuQSlvDz1mOPS7z8tPKClAGRtN sdU0zgDpc0SPYei2Ycvg3YsA989lO8OnflAeBn39hKMo1bsoFmYyTJiyGcTdWtkUrUne ECbP2GtmNTomxXv1+vOLQ0TnkvOL6Jqvd/4sfJU/z7cxyIkuXbJ6tO/SixxQXi6F71ye yJx7oz3Pp/jK0qzik2/+Vha/3zrSuY2jTJErbrZ4lPjp7EhdXmIk0lLiEIOjnoZf5J+h wRLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697095539; x=1697700339; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=azbWqXTx/qZEZN9ae/o2f7aaiPugni6HCbouJJ7G4CM=; b=Z7PQymUfTzRqEouUxg4WRa23GY6mbxaGaEOV1XrM3eOtZHZpcn/1Nbe+OKNx6ZvaV8 kZcnViM0XAoxgQCmByy+MdiuBdRYQ1EZBqpVIhSPpT/Ih6T7v4I6XPNyLFRFKc6cDF3k iRYmLDkYT9cfuQwqTJTucG+Jg5JadMFtnf2JuUOSE6GnGY/ByPMu7aUsLGDZiIlUNI07 YInT+FbrLYqw8G6WAR+kqu2TxBmyuEV5Yy0aAXQIPA9Wo5NLjD3/VVAmTfNmagS5tuvO oQemmMuwua3ZUDu52L26hkDEy0PInVvz4PE+1ygUB1rQLvKrJfEAaHII0nhC32v9eagw eRDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyJgQoLrFJremN22jX9GiZy33nYeE5kr6nFQQBf/pEAsj3FE1di KRuUOK0OIfOcVgm01vouH+5qqCoobD1Z6m+1HTL2993U X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE405KNZi6uIlyT+L+zb2AGVLmOtVjKcLCMbz2eOYXO/F/0pEXsd9XXG4qQMUUkzf8Qa1ejouDobZTdOJ7U4DM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:1b12:b0:1e9:a4c8:1da7 with SMTP id hl18-20020a0568701b1200b001e9a4c81da7mr2667998oab.20.1697095538922; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 00:25:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Pedro Tumusok Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 09:25:27 +0200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bf5b1706077fd874" Subject: Re: [NNagain] The non-death of DSL X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 07:25:40 -0000 --000000000000bf5b1706077fd874 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 3:58=E2=80=AFPM Mikael Abrahamsson via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > On Sat, 7 Oct 2023, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: > > > Q0) How much DSL is in the EU? > > I can add a datapoint here from Sweden. Telia which is the incument > started shutting down the copper network 5+ years ago, and have announced > that it'll be completely gone by 2026. > > Alternatives are fiber and/or wireless services. > > Other countries have incumbents with other strategies, and there's plenty > talk about much higher speed DSL and keep the last-few-hundred-meters > copper cables for residential access. > > Basically the same for Norway, Telenor the incumbant here, got the same timeline, end of 2025 is the goal here. They had the goal of 2022, but NKOM (similar to FCC) said that was to fast and it got extended. FWA is the main push to replace DSL if there is no fiber or Cable available already. --=20 Best regards / Mvh Jan Pedro Tumusok --000000000000bf5b1706077fd874 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 3:58=E2=80=AF= PM Mikael Abrahamsson via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023, Dave Taht via = Nnagain wrote:

> Q0) How much DSL is in the EU?

I can add a datapoint here from Sweden. Telia which is the incument
started shutting down the copper network 5+ years ago, and have announced <= br> that it'll be completely gone by 2026.

Alternatives are fiber and/or wireless services.

Other countries have incumbents with other strategies, and there's plen= ty
talk about much higher speed DSL and keep the last-few-hundred-meters
copper cables for residential access.


Basically the same for Norway, Telenor= the incumbant here, got the same timeline, end of 2025 is the goal here.
They had the goal of 2022, but NKOM (similar to FCC) said that was= to fast and it got extended.

FWA is the main push= to replace DSL if there is no fiber or Cable available already.
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Best regards / Mvh
Jan Pedro Tumu= sok

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