From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A4333B2A4 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2024 20:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-7c00cfd7156so16532739f.0 for ; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 17:48:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1707443304; x=1708048104; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=4gOsAdq9cJdcHQBJq2LwwgnDSxatXYvvvO9AeE/rf8w=; b=gtTLR2X35XCjp+LkbCyi0HNCYXs95w/X+pnngnSztXFzE044KDPB7l4OeErRo6Mx/N 3ElBafBP0yJzdQSLM6hZjXdnx9IDArDAdCLExzOczfbQwAPfHFPx7XaRijbbT4PVQCVB aO2Bp8/p7JX9CtYFuTVE0a2qRzH0MjZOOJJ7Tia9OK5F363X0EDKY7YmWDYQHXUwRW2r AYNolyYQSkEZBTMuo8NY78UkZAjAXxLLd86xB6hFFMnYstfVSBfnUp5a+Hu3VciT+6qU c6Q0r3fvvjdKszeCzIRyWdMNC6FdpKi4/aTfGj+aywCIgKK6dZ5ULPqhYQTGcTsStk58 gExQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1707443305; x=1708048105; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=4gOsAdq9cJdcHQBJq2LwwgnDSxatXYvvvO9AeE/rf8w=; b=DtAMOf30KBak77yUw8aaDjxrelHBTeoYdYRhYkEsL3xeXMtCNr2vsi/8gJfAI00kVA sIH4gp/8RLoMMFuxbRKxefTJjO1UA21oMqkcIym6lZDaDa3F3OEAW1YHEruCbosARhVU 9mABPORGW7KapHrBr41sFtxc542mp6plIfLBPMP0YfgsNe3s4IAHGJgw0w3Xqo5+QFHS L2RWTWResV6kzyrkQoZNJW4ZIEVgQF7pLCea9DfY81zeFHStE1HdaPLprn7sQWdiRzOo djlT/0VWEDVROYXJZ+WcJTyTfPiI9iJqMQBEMsdg5+kkndjdEj+p/veNKq97aN61llDC zmfg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwbfYuGdznVlkINhrSYCoOjuo6AE+zhSMQfs0T5JXVMhIo2vm50 VGZ5gSueashJ3N8XyuNPCiIA/6rXe6bhXRbUwh7rexfQbSdqTjneUIMPt1FpXPfIhJohfDnxa+Q lecHwlVfbPOy6ydt5cJL0k5SWNOr9Wy04c90NsA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEv76m0OW0carq3UfYvnTky00DT5oAtujlFK0dDT1K4Xek76tCsao9t5EmUV7C1LWtWs/IoF8CCDwDJjPX86MI= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:dd17:0:b0:7c0:1e40:9160 with SMTP id f23-20020a6bdd17000000b007c01e409160mr458827ioc.9.1707443304640; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 17:48:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Lee Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2024 20:48:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [NNagain] tech feudalism X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2024 01:48:25 -0000 On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 8:09=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: > > This discussion about withdrawing computers from the Danish school > system made a lot of good points. > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D39286269 I like the english translation of the injunction report : https://media.licdn.com/dms/document/media/D4E1FAQFd_XMkoJOAcw/feedshare-= document-pdf-analyzed/0/1706608145644?e=3D1707350400&v=3Dbeta&t=3D5M_LW6Zk1= ZL4YIh4tWV6lo-LQ9xYfZ8s-0mpr1SxGyE "Before using a tool, you as a data controller must get an overview of how personal data is processed in it, and you must be able to document it. That requirement applies to all organisations. But when it comes to public authorities - where we which citizens themselves cannot opt out of our information being processed - the Danish Data Protection Authority has a special expectation that the necessary analyzes are both carried out and documented," says Allan Frank, IT security specialist and lawyer at the Danish Data Protection Authority It's a shame the US Govt isn't better at protecting our privacy. It's not like we can opt out of the government processing our data, but clearly they don't care. ref https://digital.gov/guides/dap/ Federal agencies are required to participate in the Digital Analytics Program (DAP). https://digital.gov/guides/dap/common-questions-about-dap/ Q: When will the Digital Analytics program migrate to Google Analytics 4? A: On July 1, 2024, the Digital Analytics Program (DAP) will replace Universal Analytics (UA) with Google Analytics 4 If someone want's to argue that google _promised_ not to use that data for advertising, fine. I won't argue about it, but they're still collecting that data and I don't see where they're promising to delete it. & I suspect it isn't helping all that much, but it makes me feel better to block dap.digitalgov.gov, google-analytics.com, etc. on my home network. And who knows, it might even be doing some good :) > I have sometimes been a bit frustrated by those that want to extend > the internet into schools. I am all in favor of assistive technology > (like flash cards! Duolingo!) but the rest... no. I got annoyed with my son's school not giving him adequate math training - the resolution was school paying for a Johns Hopkins distance learning math program and 50 minutes a day for him to take the class. Needless to say, I liked having Internet in his school. I asked my wife what she thought of 5 yr olds being given chromebooks for school. She said most of them end up on mathshelf. She also liked that it taught the kids that laptops weren't just for games or youtube vids. And for people that worry about kids being stuck to their screens, try showing them something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmMfAx7kvF3Y and having them be the creator (instead of the consumer) and from further on down in the thread: > Wealthy and healthy have the advantage for sure. > > [RR] Healthy =E2=80=A6 absolutely yes! Wealthy =E2=80=A6 not so sure. Wealthy, as well as a two parent household.. absolutely yes. If you need two jobs to survive or both parents are working I'm guessing it's that much harder to put restrictions on screen time or monitor what they're looking at on that screen. Regards, Lee