[NNagain] benton broadband futures post-election

[NNagain] benton broadband futures post-election

[Dave Taht]

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https://www.benton.org/blog/impact-election-broadband-sector


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Re: [NNagain] benton broadband futures post-election

[Vint Cerf]

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good analysis

v

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Re: [NNagain] benton broadband futures post-election

[Robert McMahon]

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Matching the OSP to the end users is the tricky part. Cadence matching is
critical. It's analogous to pelotons in cycling. An ASIC is a 24-36 month
cycle.

The market dynamic that works the best is consumer purchases where no
financial analysis is done rather people buy tech for a purpose or for use
case(s).

The next missing piece is Fi-Wi. That will make home networks phenomenal
and as simple as a whole home fire alarm system. When this occurs,
consumers will push back on service providers to upgrade their OSP faster
because they are not being limited by the mobile phone as the primary user
device. Life support use cases, redundancy and quarantining of bad acting
devices will be standard practice (as are circuit breakers, AFCI an GCF in
our electric panels)

Universal service is a must here too, even within a building. Life support
is not only for the wealthy. (And those going to Mars won't get such either
- no escaping reality)

I get the broadband focus (and that Elon Muisk is a disaster in the
making,) but "Wi-Fi only inside" is not sufficient at all and there really
is nothing stopping us from addressing this that I can see. Fix the homes
with fronthaul and wireless to the last meters using the only two mediums
that matter, fiber and RF over spacetime. Most everything else will follow.

Bob

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:20 PM Vint Cerf via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> good analysis
>
> v
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 11:19 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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>> https://www.benton.org/blog/impact-election-broadband-sector
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Re: [NNagain] benton broadband futures post-election

[David Bray, PhD]

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Currently part of a group that's helping with the post-Helene recovery in
North Carolina and post-Milton recovery in Florida. There have been three
technologies that have overwhelmingly helped with the recovery:

1. helicopters or other airborne assets that can assess damage from above
(there's tech that can scan for signs of people needing help, one such
instance identified a potential face of a person in mud from >20,000 feet
away... it was a garden gnome)
2. portable generators using various fuel sources (essential when the grid
is down)
3. Starlink

... especially for North Carolina where the electrical grid was seriously
impacted - without Starlink there would not have been the chance of getting
assessments of needs and triaging of recovery efforts. Expect this to be
something referenced in 2025 when the post-Hurricane aftermath is sorted
out regarding broadband futures. Even volunteer teams from other tech
companies to help with the recovery have turned to Starlink for comms.



On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:30 PM Robert McMahon via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Matching the OSP to the end users is the tricky part. Cadence matching is
> critical. It's analogous to pelotons in cycling. An ASIC is a 24-36 month
> cycle.
>
> The market dynamic that works the best is consumer purchases where no
> financial analysis is done rather people buy tech for a purpose or for use
> case(s).
>
> The next missing piece is Fi-Wi. That will make home networks phenomenal
> and as simple as a whole home fire alarm system. When this occurs,
> consumers will push back on service providers to upgrade their OSP faster
> because they are not being limited by the mobile phone as the primary user
> device. Life support use cases, redundancy and quarantining of bad acting
> devices will be standard practice (as are circuit breakers, AFCI an GCF in
> our electric panels)
>
> Universal service is a must here too, even within a building. Life support
> is not only for the wealthy. (And those going to Mars won't get such either
> - no escaping reality)
>
> I get the broadband focus (and that Elon Muisk is a disaster in the
> making,) but "Wi-Fi only inside" is not sufficient at all and there really
> is nothing stopping us from addressing this that I can see. Fix the homes
> with fronthaul and wireless to the last meters using the only two mediums
> that matter, fiber and RF over spacetime. Most everything else will follow.
>
> Bob
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:20 PM Vint Cerf via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> good analysis
>>
>> v
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 11:19 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain <
>> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.benton.org/blog/impact-election-broadband-sector
>>>
>>>
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>> Vint Cerf
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>>
>>
>> until further notice
>>
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