From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EC3E3B29E for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 16:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oo1-f41.google.com (mail-oo1-f41.google.com [209.85.161.41]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97C861B2C0 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 13:30:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com 97C861B2C0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1728678636; bh=uvQG3N5AwqzaXzKpFNA4YXKjIGEQ6BE/D1y8b6G9DhA=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc:From; b=blY0WGThjlelD716Eh2fY4f/FChii9RQjze6UGhr5KlVjq9qlN74ncqZkxpqq8E/V n7gN/yhGook2fD3rp1yIGNtAyVcJPIg71zA0IFUZTw1B9cMIQXhhruGB0H7mc5t+I4 3/RnByPOG+RVbTr7/NfyPEUyVjn3xEVqRVBZ9ETw= Received: by mail-oo1-f41.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5e98a16ea68so1094340eaf.1 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 13:30:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwGP58fWoYjuJWerMN8zfWfNeqpp1z+4aLFbwyMS3Vx3F6OuO2r P8Xn1NA9KtOWA4/p5XFUgyk9jo081kuTH1rL2xEHJ2/8rX2GUDql5rQSWG3LS3Ocj0cXvufPJbB 6fL3tK5vrp/gLeArfqDycGpDg3nU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHGDeBipBnuk18HTRF5z+8tKyxTlfxYkh/Rj+PMIGnq5rgXCT+vTQoMvRMw0VKKRdepSqIUgM08pXzfnat5itQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:bb15:b0:277:7147:26ff with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-2886df8f156mr2366520fac.35.1728678635747; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Robert McMahon Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 13:30:24 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000003cc2e0624395caa" Subject: Re: [NNagain] benton broadband futures post-election X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 20:30:37 -0000 --00000000000003cc2e0624395caa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matching the OSP to the end users is the tricky part. Cadence matching is critical. It's analogous to pelotons in cycling. An ASIC is a 24-36 month cycle. The market dynamic that works the best is consumer purchases where no financial analysis is done rather people buy tech for a purpose or for use case(s). The next missing piece is Fi-Wi. That will make home networks phenomenal and as simple as a whole home fire alarm system. When this occurs, consumers will push back on service providers to upgrade their OSP faster because they are not being limited by the mobile phone as the primary user device. Life support use cases, redundancy and quarantining of bad acting devices will be standard practice (as are circuit breakers, AFCI an GCF in our electric panels) Universal service is a must here too, even within a building. Life support is not only for the wealthy. (And those going to Mars won't get such either - no escaping reality) I get the broadband focus (and that Elon Muisk is a disaster in the making,) but "Wi-Fi only inside" is not sufficient at all and there really is nothing stopping us from addressing this that I can see. Fix the homes with fronthaul and wireless to the last meters using the only two mediums that matter, fiber and RF over spacetime. Most everything else will follow. Bob On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:20=E2=80=AFPM Vint Cerf via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > good analysis > > v > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 11:19=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> >> https://www.benton.org/blog/impact-election-broadband-sector >> >> >> -- >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > > > -- > Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to: > Vint Cerf > Google, LLC > 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor > Reston, VA 20190 > +1 (571) 213 1346 > > > until further notice > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --00000000000003cc2e0624395caa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Matching the OSP to the end users is the tr= icky part. Cadence matching is critical. It's analogous to pelotons in = cycling. An ASIC is a 24-36 month cycle.

The mark= et dynamic that works the best is consumer purchases where no financial ana= lysis is done rather people buy tech for a purpose or for use case(s).
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The next missing piece is Fi-Wi. That will make home networks phe= nomenal and as simple as a whole home fire alarm system. When this occurs, = consumers will push back on service providers to upgrade their OSP faster b= ecause they are not being limited by the mobile phone as the primary user d= evice. Life support use cases, redundancy and quarantining of bad acting de= vices will be standard practice (as are circuit breakers, AFCI an GCF in ou= r electric panels)

Universal service is a must here= too, even within a building. Life support is not only for the wealthy. (An= d those going to Mars won't get such either - no escaping reality)
<= br>I get the broadband focus (and that Elon Muisk is a disaster in the maki= ng,) but "Wi-Fi only inside" is not sufficient at all and there r= eally is nothing stopping us from addressing this that I can see. Fix the h= omes with fronthaul and wireless to the last meters using the only two medi= ums that matter, fiber and RF over spacetime. Most everything else will fol= low.

Bob

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:20=E2=80=AFPM Vint Cerf = via Nnagain <nnagain@li= sts.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
good analysis

v

On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 11:19=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.b= ufferbloat.net> wrote:
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