From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBFE83B29D for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2024 09:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oa1-f47.google.com (mail-oa1-f47.google.com [209.85.160.47]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E67251B2C0 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2024 06:58:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com E67251B2C0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1728309486; bh=1DB0lF+8bYqLH7wjqMAn4iZEAJo4DGDSxQJQ5usv15w=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc:From; b=hLs5sift5bvNdzBEu87PzAkYVHN5Gk89NdU80lt9UAiqmrWCq2sIvay1CrXKA4vTo QKwhxkDsOVEt0D7XZiDFYhl3/dDvS8jpIy2J2F8xk9/HHI9z11R+xczj6ql0M2NeSG WYNWM73KBMnjiNgNaJt6eIgm9Ar9GdJ1jGhOGGJU= Received: by mail-oa1-f47.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-27ce4f37afeso1604669fac.0 for ; Mon, 07 Oct 2024 06:58:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxAJInSLlA78d7Zas8697xfscke1ogFg75+Sj2VlmPcR8L6w2Fz scCfL7yqDhQ/zfAIoy6gJ1Kxu3vBhbKzXUPW8A2X1iCa8nye/XBgDe2ymEAAdrzD/63NVer3DWG cMpyiWheLXe3OrpympWad+E8E6t4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF8m/SmU5mM9oT/PT19FLRVvGWhIPBDcLEksBtd6K4MplgkG7UVL/5xpFlk37fw8JSNvLaA0xLe5hIop1/T/uc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:a551:b0:278:22d3:53 with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-287c1e15c0bmr6371255fac.12.1728309486114; Mon, 07 Oct 2024 06:58:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Robert McMahon Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 09:57:54 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fb68250623e368ff" Subject: Re: [NNagain] an eloquent critique of NASA X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2024 13:58:07 -0000 --000000000000fb68250623e368ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The hard part is life support systems and not so much the rockets. Musk handwaves and claims life support is easy, both on Mars and in the spacecraft t/fro. The song reveals it's not so easy to keep humans healthy and well, even on this earth where humans evolved to survive. Musk constantly fails in his claims. His cult like following demonstrates Festinger's When Phrophecy Fails. Failed prophecy which, counter to intuition, strengthens the cult's belief in their leader. It's an illness and not something to promote by my judgment. I think us selecting leaders and peers that work from a basis of reality is they way to improve things. See the world as it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails " the team had seen that in some cases the failure of a prophecy, rather than causing a rejection of the original belief system, could lead believers to increase their personal commitment, and also increase their efforts to recruit others into the belief" On Sun, Oct 6, 2024, 6:14 PM Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFAM Robert McMahon > wrote: > >> SpaceX is no better than NASA by my opinion. A proper critique was done >> in 1970 and still applies today. See link. I grew up in Houston & with >> astronauts & their kids because LBJ was from Texas. Seen space projects = my >> entire life. Focus should be on our planet and robots on the others. The >> ego centric view of manned space flight is an illness by my opinion. >> >> https://youtu.be/wtSSP8FVUGY?feature=3Dshared >> > > Hey, thx. I had heard of, but not heard, that poem before. > > As a counter, for the inspiring need for humans in space: try: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlD1ixTr4JWY&t=3D50s > > Otherwise I do generally prefer robotic exploration. Building and flying > modernized versions of this would be fun: > https://dartslab.jpl.nasa.gov/References/pdf/2019-mars-heli.pdf > > hopefully tomorrow Hera launches! > > > >> >> >> Bob >> >> On Thu, Oct 3, 2024, 7:03 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain < >> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2024/10/02/sls-is-still-a-national-d= isgrace/ >>> >>> -- >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nnagain mailing list >>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >>> >> > > -- > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > --000000000000fb68250623e368ff Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The hard part is life support systems and not so much the= rockets. Musk handwaves and claims life support is easy, both on Mars and = in the spacecraft t/fro. The song reveals it's not so easy to keep huma= ns healthy and well, even on this earth where humans evolved to survive.
Musk constantly fails in his cla= ims. His cult like following demonstrates Festinger's When Phrophecy Fa= ils. Failed prophecy which, counter to intuition, strengthens the cult'= s belief in their leader. It's an illness and not something to promote = by my judgment. I think us selecting leaders and peers that work from a bas= is of reality is they way to improve things. See the world as it is.
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On Sun, Oct 6, 2024, 6:14 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:





On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFAM Robert M= cMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcm= ahon.com> wrote:
SpaceX is no better than NASA by my opinion. A pr= oper critique was done in 1970 and still applies today. See link. I grew up= in Houston & with astronauts & their kids because LBJ was from Tex= as. Seen space projects my entire life. Focus should be on our planet and r= obots on the others. The ego centric view of manned space flight is an illn= ess by my opinion.=C2=A0

Hey, thx. I had heard of, but not heard, that poem b= efore.

As a counter, for the inspiring need for humans i= n space: try:=C2=A0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlD1ixTr4JWY&t=3D5= 0s

Otherwise I do generally=C2=A0prefer roboti= c exploration. Building and flying modernized=C2=A0versions of this would b= e fun:=C2=A0https://dartslab.jpl.nasa.gov/References/pdf/2019-mars-h= eli.pdf

hopefully=C2=A0tomorrow Hera launches!

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Bob

On Thu, Oct 3, 2024, 7:03 PM Dave Taht vi= a Nnagain <nnagai= n@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:


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