Re: [NNagain] Verizon, T-Mobile, Nokia get noisy on network slicing and net neutrality (LightReading)

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How do you know where the vehicle is that you are talking to?

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On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 17:26 Dick Roy via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

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> *From:* Robert McMahon [mailto:rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 9, 2024 12:58 PM
> *To:* dickroy@alum.mit.edu; Dick Roy via Nnagain
> *Subject:* Re: [NNagain] Verizon, T-Mobile, Nokia get noisy on network
> slicing and net neutrality (LightReading)
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> What is DSRC?
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> *[RR] Don’t get me started! **LLL**  Very simply it is the optimal
> technology for V2X comms (it is in over 11 billion devices on the planet
> today … aka Wi-Fi at 5.9GHz … think 802.11a) that has been shelved here in
> the US (temporarily if I have anything to say about it) in favor of an
> 8-year old technology that does not work and on which a single company has
> a majority of the IPR.  Surprise, surprise, that company has invested 100’s
> of millions of dollars to execute this con job, and unfortunately it’s
> working.  DSRC products were available more than 8 years ago and would have
> been on the roads today (and in handsets) in large numbers saving lives,
> but that wasn’t good enough for that company because they stand to get >10x
> in royalty fees if and when the FCC mandates their technology.  When the
> general public becomes aware of this con, and fully understands the impact,
> they should be and will be outraged! Think “DOWNFALL: The Case Against
> Boeing”  … it’s exactly the same thing … just the names have been changed.
> Watch it if you haven’t already!*
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> *Contact me if you want more details!  I am looking for any and ALL help I
> can get to expose this fraud.*
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> *Cheers,*
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> DSRC (Dedicated Short-Range Communications) is a wireless communication
> technology that enables vehicles to communicate with each other and other
> road users directly, without involving cellular or other infrastructure.
> DSRC is based on WiFi technology
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> https://auto-talks.com/technology/dsrc-technology/#:~:text=What%20is%20DSRC%3F,involving%20cellular%20or%20other%20infrastructure
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> On Mar 9, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Dick Roy via Nnagain <
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> As expected this technique is designed to allow exactly what NN was
> designed to prohibit (treating packets differentially in the internet based
> on economic considerations*)... this is IMHO why instead of calling a spade
> a spade mobile carriers avoid describing this in a useful way, as it is
> exactly about prioritisation... IMHO that will back fire, and a better
> avenue would be to be open about what it enables and propose a method to
> restrict the potential issues. E.g. (I am making this up on the fly, so it
> will likely not hold up to any degree of scrutiny) by self limiting to
> never commit more than X% of a cell's capacity to slicing, IFF the cell is
> used for normal end user service at all. So admit that there is some
> trade-off here, limit the fall-out, and then describe why we as a society
> should embrace that trade-off. I am a bit sceptical about the whole car 2
> car communication thing (that is cars talk to cars, not people n cars talk
> to people on cars ;) ), but if a Carrier believes there is value in that
> for e.g. accident avoidance, then tell how this requires the stricter
> network guarantees that (only?) slicing can deliver.
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> *[RR] V2X communications for saving lives will NEVER go through ANY
> carrier’s network in spite of what you hear.  There is simply no way anyone
> is going to pay to have BSMs broadcast 10 times a second to prevent
> accidents, and NO CARRIER is going to give that capacity away for free,
> even if they had enough to carry the traffic, which they do not by many
> orders of magnitude!!!  More importantly, the information being exchanged
> does NOT require a network to get where it needs to go!  The 5G hype you
> hear from various carriers and equipment suppliers related to V2X
> communications is all powerpoint BS (to make shareholders happy). And there
> is a ton of it out there! **JJ*
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> RR
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