From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x530.google.com (mail-ed1-x530.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::530]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6D283CB37 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ed1-x530.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-564a53b8133so229714a12.0 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:42:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20230601; t=1708645373; x=1709250173; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=S/hg/I8iFE+m/yi4GH2bZLBDEGHpDG/6q6iSixoMvzY=; b=HdfpukHhUbCXc+ILtD8/O0AcnaSSbD61NBK/faKT2tKVJ04rIuuSFMxfebTzwKzzw9 vABiPWQjSw03335He5MVNjyv0yRAWUuH3f9Zrl+MqnasoFREbIEBuyROpcVKvpF3jsYj M90YGpC1wOiwFLSan/LyTsTRJtUoT3pUWigBJdyeVA3yQQxqLjTHAvxBMxrJdJJXqHSy SpBnGpNk+GmRbsW8rL98Ck0f0VO0XZLUTex2WaAwgZC9gGQmzpcXKMfnkiSmcv+fRkZR ZatH3cQ/TdpMv5lAbXfMLtw+5j4PjaKxDu5jrVX5PechblFPL+ElYWq3EKiinFvG3MMA qkcw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708645373; x=1709250173; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=S/hg/I8iFE+m/yi4GH2bZLBDEGHpDG/6q6iSixoMvzY=; b=GyjN9bXGMatbEqjz47ONJ0UDdtnBYrm9tfgQG7Oh99Eh5ltr+xo6xd0G+YsA4TlNUO wqzMxhOp/pkiscKfl1V525CzHZXvlEBeEq4CbtUkuL/8tKv69ZcLkOmE5GnKatczQTNT YasyOYNAp4GV+uFhqIeLO30vr2z/aZYlrLEQ8s89UumO3JmG1yDIikqVgLuoYr0vJD3u 0/wzKfEGSio8LiZcN8uRMzuLiEMKoAnXbLjC7flDZnnzNMRr12CB5iJWLHUE5j2fysIA JVReOsULC77nVjK/hT2hm4ZyktAR7iny9fwaxDl9X4cmJ/CJgcG5KohKe4z7jS0S9kuU RkpA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyDPCEpuK9pOEsLjMVy+HSBnrhmeEZlb0H7+4OGBh/r3R7sMC4P vpSyhzii6sPnUkEadA3drBpdz9wVBvfkxKa+OCZ7AqHSTd+/DYGDPLbIUeHfhN8YAW15fGRRo7I PoDiAO1wkHEj01lnrgKJIWl3HMSc28BkVCQjU6PvX3bYOH4YOcA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEKMibPigDE46qekyR9O8AZezIQEZ2HANPDgSSFjrS1WH/hF4nLxUd88pkXVbqufv+ZhWYU5QEsg09pE4RM4RA= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d458:0:b0:565:4789:90ac with SMTP id q24-20020aa7d458000000b00565478990acmr156844edr.0.1708645372857; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 15:42:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5FD342B1-F329-4DDF-A0DA-6ED02B17D164@pch.net> In-Reply-To: From: Vint Cerf Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:42:38 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="00000000000088dc5b0612010030" Subject: Re: [NNagain] Cellular outage in US hits AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon users, Downdetector shows + Cyberattacks on hospitals are likely to increase, putting lives at risk, experts warn X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 23:42:57 -0000 --00000000000088dc5b0612010030 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007f9c6d0612010077" --0000000000007f9c6d0612010077 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could some non-ATT outages be people trying to reach ATT destinations? V On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 18:39 the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > if you look/see The Requisite "HUMPS" of/at all the carriers at > https://downdetector.com/ it seems to be more than just AT&T being > involved > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 2:25=E2=80=AFPM Bill Woodcock via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> I have not seen any credible evidence of any networks other than AT&T >> being involved. >> >> The rumors of something to do with a SIM database don=E2=80=99t explain = all the >> PRI trunks down, but those predated the mobile outages, so it might be t= wo >> unrelated issues. >> >> -Bill >> >> >> > On Feb 22, 2024, at 10:12=E2=80=AFPM, Dave Taht via Nnagain < >> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >> > >> > =EF=BB=BFOn Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 3:52=E2=80=AFPM David Bray, PhD via N= nagain >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/cellular-outage-in-us-hits-at= -t-t-mobile-and-verizon-users-downdetector-shows/ar-BB1iHBMF >> > >> > I had feared this was the natural outgrowth of the devastating DNS >> > KEYTRAP attack that was announced yesterday: >> > >> https://www.darkreading.com/cloud-security/keytrap-dns-bug-threatens-wid= espread-internet-outages >> > >> > But so far the bet on nanog is that "oops, cisco deleted the sim >> database." >> > >> > I think they are being snarky about "the" sim database. I=C2=B4m prett= y >> > sure they are just being snarky... >> > >> >> A cellular outage in the United States was reported by AT&T, T-Mobile= , >> Verizon and other network users on Thursday, according to outage trackin= g >> website Downdetector.com. >> >> >> >> The number of reports of AT&T outages peaked at 31,931 at around 4:30 >> a.m. ET, data from Downdetector, which tracks outages by collating statu= s >> reports from sources including user-submitted errors on its platform, >> showed. >> >> >> >> More than 800 service outages of U.S. wireless carriers Verizon and >> T-Mobile were also reported on the platform. >> >> >> >> Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T did not immediately reply to Reuters' >> requests for comment. >> >> >> >> And this - I was just on a call where it's clear this is increasing: >> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cyberattacks-on-hospitals-a= re-likely-to-increase-putting-lives-at-risk-experts-warn/ar-BB1ihhll >> >> >> >> WASHINGTON (AP) =E2=80=94 Cybersecurity experts are warning that hosp= itals >> around the country are at risk for attacks like the one that is cripplin= g >> operations at a premier Midwestern children's hospital, and that the U.S= . >> government is doing too little prevent such breaches. >> >> >> >> Hospitals in recent years have shifted their use of online technology >> to support everything from telehealth to medical devices to patient >> records. Today, they are a favorite target for internet thieves who hold >> systems' data and networks hostage for hefty ransoms, said John Riggi, t= he >> American Hospital Association=E2=80=99s cybersecurity adviser. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> David Bray, PhD Principal, LeadDoAdapt Ventures, Inc. >> >> Loomis Innovation Council Co-Chair & Distinguished Fellow >> >> Henry S. Stimson Center, Business Executives for National Security >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Nnagain mailing list >> >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > 40 years of net history, a couple songs: >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E >> > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Nnagain mailing list >> > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> >> > > -- > Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com > living as The Truth is True > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --0000000000007f9c6d0612010077 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could some non-ATT outages be people trying to reach ATT = destinations?
V

=
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 18:39 the keybo= ard of geoff goodfellow via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
if you look/see The Req= uisite "HUMPS" of/at all the carriers at=C2=A0https://downdetecto= r.com/=C2=A0it seems to be more than just AT&T being involved
=

= On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 2:25=E2=80=AFPM Bill Woodcock via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
I have not seen any credible evidence of= any networks other than AT&T being involved.=C2=A0

The rumors of something to do with a SIM database don=E2=80=99t explain all= the PRI trunks down, but those predated the mobile outages, so it might be= two unrelated issues.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -Bill


> On Feb 22, 2024, at 10:12=E2=80=AFPM, Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BFOn Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 3:52=E2=80=AFPM David Bray, PhD via N= nagain
> <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-= gb/money/technology/cellular-outage-in-us-hits-at-t-t-mobile-and-verizon-us= ers-downdetector-shows/ar-BB1iHBMF
>
> I had feared this was the natural outgrowth of the devastating DNS
> KEYTRAP attack that was announced yesterday:
> https://www.darkreading.com/cloud-security/keytrap-dns-bug-thre= atens-widespread-internet-outages
>
> But so far the bet on nanog is that "oops, cisco deleted the sim = database."
>
> I think they are being snarky about "the" sim database. I=C2= =B4m pretty
> sure they are just being snarky...
>
>> A cellular outage in the United States was reported by AT&T, T= -Mobile, Verizon and other network users on Thursday, according to outage t= racking website Downdetector.com.
>>
>> The number of reports of AT&T outages peaked at 31,931 at arou= nd 4:30 a.m. ET, data from Downdetector, which tracks outages by collating = status reports from sources including user-submitted errors on its platform= , showed.
>>
>> More than 800 service outages of U.S. wireless carriers Verizon an= d T-Mobile were also reported on the platform.
>>
>> Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T did not immediately reply to Reuter= s' requests for comment.
>>
>> And this -=C2=A0 I was just on a call where it's clear this is= increasing: https://www= .msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cyberattacks-on-hospitals-are-likely-to-i= ncrease-putting-lives-at-risk-experts-warn/ar-BB1ihhll
>>
>> WASHINGTON (AP) =E2=80=94 Cybersecurity experts are warning that h= ospitals around the country are at risk for attacks like the one that is cr= ippling operations at a premier Midwestern children's hospital, and tha= t the U.S. government is doing too little prevent such breaches.
>>
>> Hospitals in recent years have shifted their use of online technol= ogy to support everything from telehealth to medical devices to patient rec= ords. Today, they are a favorite target for internet thieves who hold syste= ms' data and networks hostage for hefty ransoms, said John Riggi, the A= merican Hospital Association=E2=80=99s cybersecurity adviser.
>>
>> --
>> David Bray, PhD Principal, LeadDoAdapt Ventures, Inc.
>> Loomis Innovation Council Co-Chair & Distinguished Fellow
>> Henry S. Stimson Center, Business Executives for National Security=
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nnagain mailing list
>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/list= info/nnagain
>
>
>
> --
> 40 years of net history, a couple songs:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX= 6QFm5E
> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
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