+1 v On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 3:22 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:21 AM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via > Nnagain wrote: > > > > ➔➔https://twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1716558844384379163 > > Leaving aside the rhetoric, I believe the majority of these claims on > this part of his post: > > https://twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1716884139226329512 > > to be true. Any one question this? > > I do wish that he showed upload speeds, and latency under load, and, > acknowledged some mistakes, at least, and did not claim perfect > success. Also individual states had stepped up to institute their own > rules, and I would love to see a comparison of those stats vs those > that didn´t. > > The COVID thing I am most fiercely proud of, as an engineer, is we > took an internet only capable of postage stamp 5 frame per sec[1] > videoconferencing to something that the world, as a whole, relied on > to keep civilization running only 7 years later, in the face of > terrible odds, lights out environments, scarce equipment supplies, and > illness. ISPs big and small helped too - Their people climbed towers, > produced better code, rerouted networks, and stayed up late fighting > off DDOSes. People at home shared their wifi and knowledge of how to > make fiddly things on the net work well, over the internet - > > Nobody handed out medals for keeping the internet running, I do not > remember a single statement of praise for what we did over that > terrible time. No one ever looks up after a productive day after a > zillion productive clicks and says (for one example) "Thank you Paul > Vixie and Mokapetris for inventing DNS and Evan Hunt(bind) and Simon > Kelly(dnsmasq) for shipping dns servers for free that only get it > wrong once in a while, and then recover so fast you don´t notice" - > there are just endless complaints from those for whom it is not > working *right now* the way they expect. > > There are no nobel prizes for networking. But the scientists, > engineers, sysadmins and SREs kept improving things, and are keeping > civilization running. It is kind of a cause for me - I get very irked > at both sides whining when if only they could walk a mile in a > neteng´s shoes. I get respect from my neighbors at least, sometimes > asked to fix a laptop or set up a router... and I still share my wifi. > > If there was just some way to separate out the ire about other aspects > of how the internet is going south (which I certainly share), and > somehow put respect for those in the trenches that work on keeping the > Net running, back in the public conversation, I would really love to > hear it. > > [1] Really great talk on networking by Van Jacobson in 2012, both > useful for its content, and the kind of quality we could only achieve > then: https://archive.org/details/video1_20191129 > > > -- > > Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com > > living as The Truth is True > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nnagain mailing list > > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > > > > -- > Oct 30: > https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > -- Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to: Vint Cerf Google, LLC 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor Reston, VA 20190 +1 (571) 213 1346 until further notice