From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1033.google.com (mail-pj1-x1033.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1033]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D931D3CB37 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 07:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pj1-x1033.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-282e3beb418so1842019a91.0 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 04:21:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1699618900; x=1700223700; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zOQ2s5oXfAA5NQGgyrixwq4vReDKGS2v1p/+133KuM0=; b=XcvVk9aAvcpzSgBxpWO75Z7yeDxXDGPVh0iOOgpfAES1CBeQ3Iieoz526SWMJUPobw pAGK9qH7V08/JJea7N4kymRyA2b0K1t7nGYWKJsYy49t3T/tPnm6uUtk/oEP+hWQ8I6R E3/h2TA4HQjUp4u2eyMPL/IknkQpje++VFPga1XJo8G7tzFow+hJkjWo9X6Y85PDS6Wk DboZjSJmGYeTpu0hC+fiFLxhgnNEklGRTb3rmyQVlVOo8YYVh4rRd2bzZyHIpY7SyDAQ gceEik4PFBE5ox5OPd5tkJPhsw2ylH2JGxLQWd6hVIWmeULdA5jLJ0DXvQQhmZwWZNsF 5GPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699618900; x=1700223700; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zOQ2s5oXfAA5NQGgyrixwq4vReDKGS2v1p/+133KuM0=; b=JanNQqOiTJhZdRw2xudV/2j65OUCGlqrwX4eNUS/lnAgNxfEc6Ia+bgpEenJAD0HcG E3vGEw4N32En4GrDMLTNhbYTC+2fSNHiK87BYDz1OBdXrwUp/cavHl9e6NHPkdsubVoi 6p7K5kTh5cHch/OZmt760sfWfK3oBmf5uWqGiYKMteKa7PnvI8bm1VIPsppn4XM4Wou/ rfi60B4P9hdpfWJbZM7f20nwF6c74zXt78MAR0w5KvaZvfN0jJpxuU5apmYta+svkk+2 KQozZjrFbyY3xeRu1AHouxWuLBtauD1f6P4tVX91FKESCRmyi+WklaI0uR8gw373Tkt0 TK6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yzw/kVo6yzy2TuRr34lB+roBR2NJrnOLeu0P9ph+2lvXLfkYpc7 V70CffWMRHqR03PheLwyWL+QrZqgDCr4YmMIlP0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:38c4:b0:27c:fc2a:a178 with SMTP id nn4-20020a17090b38c400b0027cfc2aa178mt4932348pjb.9.1699618900132; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 04:21:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Inemesit Affia Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 13:21:26 +0100 Message-ID: Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink , =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspect?= =?UTF-8?Q?s_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cd386c0609cb5c53" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 08:02:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] one dish per household is silly. X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:21:42 -0000 --000000000000cd386c0609cb5c53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Starlink terms of service as at launch with the round dishes required each user to pay regardless of the number of dishes. Not unusual compared to other ISP's. Of course you can share regardless. Cruise liners use 6 to 12 dishes to deliver service to thousands. And there's people using it for free WiFi in restaurants and airplanes and schools On Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 12:44 PM Dave Taht via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > My objection to steve song's analysis here: > > https://manypossibilities.net/2023/11/starlink-and-inequality/ > > A) Am I the only person left in the world that shares his wifi? A > single dishy can easily serve dozens of people which lowers the cost > per person enormously. Starlink has limited density per cell in the > first place, so hanging a wired or wireless bridge off of it and > covering a small town or merely multiple houses, not much of a > problem. I know of refuge centers in the ukraine serving hundreds of > people as one example. > > B) I keep seeing estimates of service life being 5 years, when at the > moment I see it being 10 or more. > > > -- > Oct 30: > https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --000000000000cd386c0609cb5c53 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Starlink terms of service as at launch with the round dis= hes required each user to pay regardless of the number of dishes. Not unusu= al compared to other ISP's.

Of course you can share regardless. Cruise liners use 6 to 12 dishes to d= eliver service to thousands. And there's people using it for free WiFi = in restaurants and airplanes and schools

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 12:44 P= M Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
My objection to steve song's analysis here:

https://manypossibilities.n= et/2023/11/starlink-and-inequality/

A) Am I the only person left in the world that shares his wifi? A
single dishy can easily serve dozens of people which lowers the cost
per person enormously. Starlink has limited density per cell in the
first place, so hanging a wired or wireless bridge off of it and
covering a small town or merely multiple houses, not much of a
problem. I know of refuge centers in the ukraine serving hundreds of
people as one example.

B) I keep seeing estimates of service life being 5 years, when at the
moment I see it being 10 or more.


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