From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84E023CB40; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-77f8e4702a6so187828085a.1; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 10:35:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702578938; x=1703183738; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=i1AjxsVY8cDMt/0DXj8uHuyO2ofrGOnRfxGVbEVtPYo=; b=LwgMHwnt8PJ33GnAAiMTZVBqupyl6TNt6aCpLgEkLdTDp79u8ZJ530gmmICdb0CK8J ZctpE7cx1drt9EwJAmGECDIPQ3rR9JvNjNKtlcLSrdv2xBtaEBVLoYHM9v3DAFYXjKtK 2iUqJcSp4vbNmS2MKiigVzh5Wdwezh59avpTIV4qsAJP96yAJK5dSq9rMyZ8w/pGLyht i1VS9AVrRVIr+LOiUagCr8I5Ar/GlvxnVXUWsfT2xuZnDbwoH/9ZhlY8U1Bj6uoGroTU P+WnoS/bpYQBYyj1jDIxdIx5BDWraV70HjxmbW1e0JTAAWBdPIQOObYO/OJnEDl2gTws DBig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702578938; x=1703183738; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=i1AjxsVY8cDMt/0DXj8uHuyO2ofrGOnRfxGVbEVtPYo=; b=Evbpv+SknzEGtGozmiFhQxFGNYOqhJjBmUBv61ZnyGA/5zWFHi699KqdKYsHJrrXR/ N3qbJEeIdwQk93Muuu/1o2XGNGBZGtXSKZZJGermk7V9VRU/1kzTdF0vUPfUI2fSU07G gymxk47CoU2uIpUGUxidpph2BWZqBOHYZ5tTtRyJ5wbtW5WBIyNDWPBEcBYOLiJmdRCw 4hR3Nh+29DnhukzxNwaDNvwMdc67F4RR8s6BLOnIqNhW7C5SEYY2Za+bIRTjQQsr5Lc3 V8nLEPtAdTKHD03kVRhEL6W6ZHgzZhP0QPAx2FeCbjPH1cg44K9oZSlwwd0Ct+wuu/jv rA0w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxU9fKo0Up57UUL4dQ8qImkKpRfXHCjHjNYBQZCpWq4Sbwblpve d6J719/X+0O4/QMRpmXFEwMn5h0kN4dcd9ftVbs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHRmdNgF22amAU8ihLLZ5I3NVLKiMfAG227cVLvdv4iQ2Y4IOPKvSo6CYT1B1eV9OIlUprTZ3xciu+MsrcDmA0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:10c:b0:425:9dcc:6f80 with SMTP id u12-20020a05622a010c00b004259dcc6f80mr15626904qtw.91.1702578937676; Thu, 14 Dec 2023 10:35:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <55037f9a-bc2c-4bbb-a4bb-47ad30f16190@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: From: Frantisek Borsik Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 19:47:16 +0100 Message-ID: To: "David Bray, PhD" Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink , =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspect?= =?UTF-8?Q?s_heard_this_time=21?= , Robert McMahon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c848b8060c7c8ca5" Subject: Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 18:35:38 -0000 --000000000000c848b8060c7c8ca5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you have time now by any chance, Brendan Carr is speaking on Spaces, on Twitter: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1mnxepDgvLvJX All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 6:49 PM, David Bray, PhD wrote: > FCC's staff continues to shrink. 1420-or-so employees in 2022, 1755-or-so > in 2012, 1952-or-so in 2004. So about a 25% reduction over the last twent= y > years. There are several good people there among the staff, however they > also face an increasing number of tasks and demands with less resources. > Public service depends on folks being willing to step up and be of servic= e. > > Also, ultimately it is the decision of the Commissioners. Staff can brief > the Commissioners and present evidence, the Commissioners are there to ma= ke > the policy decisions. Remember Commissioners are Presidentially-appointed= , > Senate-confirmed which selects for certain things in keeping with our > Constitution. For the staff, this means accepting that politics may > supersede even the best technical briefing. > > Such is how representative governments work. And if you circle back to > Plato's The Republic, the conclusion is such is how humanity wants it - w= e > don't want a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosopher king. Each of us wan= ts > compromises - the difference being those specific compromises. Plato > (through the voice of Socrates) also concludes humanity would probably ki= ll > a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosopher king if we were to ever have on= e > - again because despite everyone saying they want this, they really only > want such a person if that person agrees with them fully. Or as Tears for > Fears aptly put it: "Everybody Wants to Rule the World" =3D > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DawoFZaSuko4 > > > > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 1:00=E2=80=AFAM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> Thanks, Robert. Exactly what I meant. Therefore I added NN list, because >> Nathan was engaging with us there, and with Dave (me and some others, to= my >> knowledge) either directly or via his staffers and he really wanted to >> catch up on tech things that are the culprits of Net Neutrality >> (bufferbloat.) >> >> So instead of assuming that Nathan Simington and Brendan Carr are >> =E2=80=9Cbought=E2=80=9D as someone did, I can the FCC itself as an enti= ty can be >> understaffed at worse. >> >> But still, I appreciate efforts to learn about what=E2=80=99s going in h= ere and >> getting it right. >> >> All the best, >> >> Frank >> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >> Skype: casioa5302ca >> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >> >> >> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 3:46 AM, Robert McMahon >> wrote: >> >>> I think this common in that appointment of commissioners go through a >>> political process. The FCC has a technology group, too. When I worked w= ith >>> them about 8 years ago, they had skilled researchers on staff and a hig= hly >>> skilled director. They asked good questions about engineering decisions= , >>> like what is limiting the number of mimo streams on devices. >>> >>> Their physical facility is a bit dated, and they don't get stock grants= . >>> I respect the engineers I worked with for what they did. >>> >>> Bob >>> On Dec 13, 2023, at 2:38 PM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain < >>> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I would love for Nathan to be here with us, and comment on that :-) so >>>> I will add NN list as well. >>>> >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>>> >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2023 at 11:21 PM, Richard Roy >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Frantisek Borsik via Starlink >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:26 PM >>>>> *To:* Dave Taht via Starlink >>>>> *Subject:* [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink=E2=80=99s RDOF >>>>> Application >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =E2=80=9C*Elon Musk*=E2=80=99s Starlink was not the only major compan= y to inflate its >>>>> capabilities >>>>> in >>>>> RDOF bids. Nearly 100 bidders have defaulted since the auction, leavi= ng in >>>>> limbo an estimated $2.8 billion >>>>> of >>>>> the $9.2 billion originally awarded. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The FCC upheld another denial >>>>> >>>>> on Monday in the case of LTD Broadband, which appealed the >>>>> commission=E2=80=99s finding that it could not reasonably serve the m= ore than >>>>> 500,000 locations to which it had committed. The commission also hit = LTD >>>>> with a $21.7 million fine for its default. >>>>> >>>>> The commission=E2=80=99s two Republicans dissented to Starlink=E2=80= =99s denial, >>>>> claiming they saw a path for the company to improve its speeds before= the >>>>> first deployment deadline in 2025.=E2=80=9D >>>>> >>>>> *[RR] The reason two lawyers =E2=80=9Csaw a path=E2=80=9D is because = they were >>>>> bribed/conned into to see it. In my nearly 50years of experience deal= ing >>>>> with the FCC, extremely rarely are the people at the top in the commi= ssion >>>>> tech savvy. In general, they have NO CLUE when it comes to technolog= y =E2=80=A6 >>>>> period! **JJ* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/12/fcc-upholds-denial-of-starlink= s-rdof-application/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> >>>>> Frank >>>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik >>>>> >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik >>>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 >>>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 >>>>> Skype: casioa5302ca >>>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Nnagain mailing list >>>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > --000000000000c848b8060c7c8ca5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you have time now by any chance, Brendan Carr is speak= ing on Spaces, on Twitter:



All the best,

Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsi= k

https://ww= w.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+= 421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage, mobile:=C2=A0+420775230885
Skype: casioa= 5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gm= ail.com


On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 6:49 = PM, David Bray, PhD <david.a.b= ray@gmail.com> wrote:
FCC's staff continues to shrink. 1420-or-so employees in 2022, 1755-o= r-so in 2012, 1952-or-so in 2004. So about a 25% reduction over the last tw= enty years. There are several good people there among the staff, however th= ey also face an increasing number of tasks and demands with less resources.= Public service depends on folks being willing to step up and be of service= .

Also, ultimately it is the decision of the = Commissioners. Staff can brief the Commissioners and present evidence, the = Commissioners are there to make the policy decisions. Remember Commissioner= s are Presidentially-appointed, Senate-confirmed which selects for certain = things in keeping with our Constitution. For the staff, this means acceptin= g that politics may supersede even the best technical briefing.
<= div>
Such is how representative governments work. And if you = circle back to Plato's The Republic, the conclusion is such is how huma= nity wants it - we don't want a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosopher= king. Each of us wants compromises - the difference being those specific c= ompromises. Plato (through the voice of Socrates) also concludes humanity w= ould probably kill a perfectly wise, benevolent, philosopher king if we wer= e to ever have one - again because despite everyone saying they want this, = they really only want such a person if that person agrees with them fully. = Or as Tears for Fears aptly put it: "Everybody Wants to Rule the World= " =3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DawoFZaSuko4



<= /div>
On Th= u, Dec 14, 2023 at 1:00=E2=80=AFAM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.b= ufferbloat.net> wrote:
Thanks, Robert. Exactly what I meant. Therefore I added= NN list, because Nathan was engaging with us there, and with Dave (me and = some others, to my knowledge) either directly or via his staffers and he re= ally wanted to catch up on tech things that are the culprits of Net Neutral= ity (bufferbloat.)

So in= stead of assuming that Nathan Simington and Brendan Carr are =E2=80=9Cbough= t=E2=80=9D as someone did, I can the FCC itself as an entity can be underst= affed at worse.

But stil= l, I appreciate efforts to learn about what=E2=80=99s going in here and get= ting it right.

All the best,

Frank
Frantisek= (Frank) Borsik

https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
Si= gnal, Telegram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage, mobile:=C2= =A0+420775230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com


On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 3:46 AM, Robert McMahon <<= a href=3D"mailto:rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com" target=3D"_blank">rjmcmahon@rjmcm= ahon.com> wrote:
I = think this common in that appointment of commissioners go through a politic= al process. The FCC has a technology group, too. When I worked with them ab= out 8 years ago, they had skilled researchers on staff and a highly skilled= director. They asked good questions about engineering decisions, like what= is limiting the number of mimo streams on devices.

Their physical facility is a bit dated, and they don'= t get stock grants. I respect the engineers I worked with for what they did= .

Bob
On D= ec 13, 2023, at 2:38 PM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat= .net> wrote:
I would love for Nathan to be here with us, and comment o= n that :-) so I will add NN list as well.


All the best,

Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

= h= ttps://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsAp= p:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage, mobile:=C2=A0+420775230885
Skyp= e: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com

=

O= n Wed, 13 Dec 2023 at 11:21 PM, Richard Roy <dickroy3777@comcast.net> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.ne= t] On Behalf Of Frantisek Borsik via Starlink
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 1:26 PM
To: Dave Taht via Starlink
Subject: [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink=E2=80=99s RDOF Application

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CElon Musk=E2=80=99s Starlink was not the only major company to=C2=A0= inflate its capabilities=C2=A0in RDOF bids. Nearly 100 bidders have defaulted since the auction, leaving in limbo an=C2=A0<= /font>estimated $2.8 billion=C2=A0of the $9.2 billion originally awarded.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The FCC= =C2=A0upheld anothe= r denial=C2=A0on Monday= in the case of LTD Broadband, which appealed the commission=E2=80=99s finding that it could not reasonably serve the more th= an 500,000 locations to which it had committed. The commission also hit LTD with a $21= .7 million fine for its default.

The com= mission=E2=80=99s two Republicans dissented to Starlink=E2=80=99s denial, claiming they saw a path for the company to improve its speeds before the f= irst deployment deadline in 2025.=E2=80=9D

[RR] The reason two lawyers =E2=80=9Csaw a path=E2=80=9D is because they were bribed/conned into to see it. In my ne= arly 50years of experience dealing with the FCC, extremely rarely are the people at the = top in the commission tech savvy.=C2=A0 In general, they have NO CLUE when it c= omes to technology =E2=80=A6 period! JJ

=C2=A0




All the best,

Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

https://www.linkedin.com/i= n/frantisekborsik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage, mobile:=C2=A0+420775230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com

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