[NNagain] Re: Net Neutrality - a battle in Europe: Deutsche Telekom case shines light on 'two-speed' internet

[Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>]

Looks to me, Vint, that this is different. It's not me as a customer paying
for a wider, faster pipe in the last-mile.

DT is asking content providers, like Netflix, to pay for their content to
be delivered in the "fast" lane.

All the best,

Frank

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On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 12:00 PM Vint Cerf via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Frantisek,
> how is a "fast lane" different from paying more for higher bandwidth? The
> latter is pretty common and even understandable. In the US, neutrality
> meant everyone has the same access rules which includes being able to pay
> more for higher speed. The users got to determine what speed they wanted,
> not the provider. Nor could the provider (ISP) choose arbitrarily which
> services the user would get at what speed. The application providers,
> similarly, get to choose what speed and cost they can provide service. In
> all cases, the ISP does not get to dictate the speeds they offer to users
> and application providers. The rule works more or less like common
> carriage. You pay for what you get, the carrier has to offer all services
> to all parties on the same terms.
>
> v
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 5:13 AM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> > DT is at it again:
> >
> > https://euobserver.com/digital/ar5da666d9
> >
> > "Earlier this year, Austrian and German NGOs filed a complaint with the
> > German Federal Network Agency against Deutsche Telekom, alleging that the
> > internet service provider (ISP) is creating paid fast lanes to access
> > websites.
> >
> > On Wednesday (5 November), the groups held a talk to outline their
> > complaint and why it's important for Europe's net neutrality.
> >
> > The NGOs consists of Epicenter.works, the Society for Civil Rights, the
> > Federation of German Consumer Organisations, plus Stanford professor
> > Barbara van Schewick, arguing that Deutsche Telekom is creating a
> > two-tiered internet through having web hosts pay extra for Telekom’s
> > users."
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
> >
> >
> > *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
> >
> > https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
> >
> >
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