From: Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
To: Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
Cc: "Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects
heard this time!" <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [NNagain] FCC - delete, delete, delete
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 18:00:40 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJUtOOi292ptYOjmfFjzfFG2nuTecGkZ=8V_hoJC5W28UpOsJA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEBrVk7WoBiq3PBqKtbefHMV1w72h=U_LEbpHU_b-LJm4Pv9-A@mail.gmail.com>
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2651 bytes --]
Hey Bob,
I don't think that improving latency is about mandating of a specific
algorithm - it's about an improvements to broadband definition.
Broadband that servers the needs of us all today, goes beyond 100/20, it's
should include a low latency, low consistent jitter.
Now, what are the right numbers, that's another discussion. But it's a
discussion we need to have.
I would certainly let market to decide on the tools/algorithms that will
achieve those numbers - be it a Quality of Experience middle box (like
LibreQoS, Preseem, Bequand/Cambium Networks QoE, Paraqum or Sandvine), L4S
etc.
As for the other issues that need some love - for example, making vendors
to update kernel and provide updates to routers they sold, that's a good
thing.
All the best,
Frank
Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 5:33 PM Robert McMahon via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >
> > As for "what the FCC can do", "dissolve itself" comes to mind. AFAIK,
> it's been over a decade since they have done anything helpful or useful for
> any American citizen who isn't the head of a major corporation. If you
> delete the entire organization, there will be no one around to enforce
> whatever regs are still on the books so who cares? ... and you'll save
> another few 10's of millions of dollars annually which will fit nicely in
> the pockets of the "good folks", aka FODT. 😊😊😊
> >
> I worked with a CA state regulator in a tech support role prior to
> so-called broadband (actually, internet access beyond dial-up MODEMs)
> This was post 1996 telco act, just prior to the dot com bubble. The
> lobbyists at the time disliked having 50 States regulating things.
> They pushed made it so the 5 commissioners on the FCC became the
> primary regulators. Many call this regulatory capture.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think we can get rid of the FCC. Our utility
> poles are mostly regulated by them as one example.
>
> I also don't think the FCC can mandage any specific AQM algorithm.
> That's a long term disaster in the making for sure. Let network
> engineers and the market battle that out.
>
> Bob
>
> PS. Good to hear from you RR - i hope all is well. I've got a Fi-Wi
> project you may be interested in - not sure.
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>
[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4449 bytes --]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-13 17:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-12 17:39 Dave Taht
2025-03-13 0:00 ` Richard Roy
2025-03-13 16:33 ` Robert McMahon
2025-03-13 17:00 ` Frantisek Borsik [this message]
2025-03-13 18:36 ` Robert McMahon
2025-03-13 23:59 ` David Lang
2025-03-14 1:12 ` Robert McMahon
2025-03-14 1:38 ` David Bray, PhD
2025-03-14 2:17 ` Robert McMahon
2025-03-14 2:20 ` Robert McMahon
2025-03-14 2:24 ` David Bray, PhD
2025-03-14 8:16 ` Tara Stella
2025-03-14 18:53 ` Robert McMahon
2025-03-14 19:05 ` Richard Roy
2025-03-14 21:09 ` David Lang
2025-03-14 21:20 ` Dick Roy
2025-03-14 21:48 ` David Lang
2025-03-15 18:16 ` Robert McMahon
2025-03-15 18:49 ` Daniel Ezell
2025-03-16 17:50 ` Robert McMahon
2025-03-15 18:50 ` Robert McMahon
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
List information: https://lists.bufferbloat.net/postorius/lists/nnagain.lists.bufferbloat.net/
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to='CAJUtOOi292ptYOjmfFjzfFG2nuTecGkZ=8V_hoJC5W28UpOsJA@mail.gmail.com' \
--to=frantisek.borsik@gmail.com \
--cc=nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net \
--cc=rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox