Re: [NNagain] Spam filtering

[Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>]

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My great pleasure, Tanya. Btw, when I'm at it, here is a talk Dave gave at
Battlemesh v8 in Maribor, Slovenia, in 2015, and people love it a lot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb-UnHDw02o

Hope you guys will enjoy it as well.

All the best,

Frank

Frantisek (Frank) Borsik


*In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025

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On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 4:22 PM Tanya Weiman via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Thank you so much for these links, Frank! ❤️
>
>
> On 04/06/2025 6:23 AM EDT Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you very much for this, Daniel. Safe travels, and enjoy your trip. I
> hope to do it one day as well, to commemorate Dave (and I need to do a lot
> of other things we were planning to do together, like to attend SpaceX
> launch etc.)
>
> Here is a reminder of Dave's Amtrak trip, if you want to refresh you
> memory or missed it back then, in 2023:
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/nnagain/2023-October/000286.html
>
> Dave was heading to Netdev 0x17 <https://netdevconf.info/0x17/> in
> Vancouver. His talks and music from the event, if anyone is interested, can
> be found here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9RGX6QFm5E and
> https://youtu.be/rWnb543Sdk8?si=9LAEGpfBo2M5RX9X&t=2599
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
>
>
> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>
> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>
>
>
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> On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 3:21 AM Daniel Ezell <dezell@stonescry.com> wrote:
>
> Taking the Coast Starlight tonight. Wanted to compare notes with Dave
> about it. Sad to have missed the opportunity. So this trip is a memorial to
> a great guy I never got to meet.
> Daniel Ezell
>
> On Oct 28, 2023, at 3:51 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> I just can't even. So many garbage ideas out of Brussels as of late. DSA,
> DMA, DSM... GDPR in the past, or even that horrible CRA = Cyber Resilience
> Act:
>
>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/10/the-eus-proposed-cyber-resilience-act-will-damage-the-open-source-ecosystem/
> https://blog.nlnetlabs.nl/open-source-software-vs-the-cyber-resilience-act/
>
> Good intentions don't count, bad results do. Most of the evil in this
> world was done by people with good intentions and this is not an exception.
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
>
>
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> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 1:45 AM Dave Taht via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 4:23 PM Nathan Simington via Nnagain
> <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >
> > This has gone from mere cost-shifting to protocol takeover. Self-hosting
> is essentially dead because you are guaranteed to get filtered by Outlook
> and Gmail, which means that there is de facto embrace-and-extend -- "best
> viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600" but for a core standard.
>
> This is one of those things that could be reversed if there was law
> guaranteeing  freedom of communications. That really does not seem to
> be the way the world is going, however.
>
> See: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ for example.
>
> I like email (and netnews). You had a copy, the recipients had copies,
> and pretty much anyone that had the capability of snooping in-between
> had copies.  Nobody ever got arround to making starttls mandatory.
> Compare this to all the even more centralized, but incompatible chat
> systems since, multiple ones that have vanished from the web (g+), and
> others that are barely hanging on, like disquis.
>
> Even with the flight to mastodon and other heavily encrypted home
> server technologies, email remains the most common, useful and
> malleable public identifier for connecting people to people. I would
> like to make it better, for everyone, again.
>
>
> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:48 PM Hal Murray via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> [Was Amtrack]
> >>
> >>
> >> > 2) I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is
> vanishing into
> >> > spam boxes.
> >>
> >>
> >> > What of the 10s of thousands of other emails that have come over the
> years
> >> > not just from lists.bufferbloat.net but from people trying honestly
> to
> >> > communicate?
> >>
> >> There is/was a good discussion of all the good things that network
> geeks have
> >> done.
> >>
> >> How about discussing the things they haven't done?
> >>
> >> Spam would be pretty high on my list.  It's tangled up with
> (in)security -- a
> >> lot comes from infected systems or phished accounts.
> >>
> >> The current approach to spam is cost shifting.  If you don't pay for
> your
> >> abuse desk, the crap that you send or phishing sites you host..., means
> that
> >> the rest of the net has to spend more on defense.
> >>
> >> Anybody remember Spamford Wallace?  He was going to setup a spam
> friendly ISP.
> >>  Nobody would connect to him.  I wonder what would happen if a few ISPs
> that
> >> host a lot of abuse had  more troubles getting connected to the net.
> Would a
> >> few well publicized examples be enough to spread the word?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> High on my list would be dis/mis-information.  The business model seems
> to be
> >> to show customers things that will keep them online so you can show
> them more
> >> ads.  Gues what does that?
> >>
> >> Is this also cost shifting?  It's society as a whole that has to pay
> for the
> >> disruption caused by bogus information.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> These are my opinions.  I hate spam.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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