Yeah, Bill will share the recording. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 10:07 AM, le berger des photons via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Damn! I slept through it, wasn't careful enough, thought it was 4 p.m. > usa time. I hope you recorded it. > > thanks, > > Jay > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:14 AM Bill Woodcock via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> On Jan 19, 2024, at 09:36, Bill Woodcock wrote: >> >> On Jan 19, 2024, at 05:38, le berger des photons via Nnagain wrote: >> On 1/18/2024 6:14 PM, Bill Woodcock via Nnagain wrote: >> >> Do y’all (meaning folks on the list generally) want to just organize up a >> video-call, to talk about how IXPs work, and address questions? I can >> get a few of my other staff on the call, who’ve also dealt with a lot of >> IXPs, and can add to my perspective. >> >> >> Ok… Normally we do things on our own Jitsi server, but since we don’t >> really have a sense of how many folks will show up for this, we decided to >> do it on Zoom. >> >> Join our Cloud HD Video Meeting >> >> us06web.zoom.us >> >> [image: zoom.ico] >> >> >> >> Or Zoom Meeting ID 861 3112 9506 and passcode 777245. >> >> 11pm Singapore, 4pm CET, 3pm UTC, 10am US east, 7am US west. >> >> There was a question as to whether it will be recorded and whether it can >> be shared… Yes, everything PCH does is under a Creative Commons >> Attribution Non-Commercial license. I’ll try to make sure that we record >> and post the video. >> >> We’ll try to cover the diversity of ways IXPs get started, governed, and >> grow, best-practices, and leave plenty of time for Q&A / discussion. >> >> Jay’s original question, regarding how an IXP would interact with a rural >> community fiber network of 200 families in a 25km radius, provides a useful >> starting-point for the conversation. For reference, his network is here: >> >> [image: >> AF1QipPyZ6Fk7ZzK9a8266YqxOjq0nKhIwhIjjAID3UA=w900-h900-k-no-p.jpeg] >> >> Dordogne · France >> >> google.com >> >> >> >> >> [image: 1200px-Périgueux_préfecture_(2).JPG] >> >> Dordogne >> en.wikipedia.org >> >> >> Household income and poverty in 2019 − Localised disposable income system >> (FiLoSoFi) – Results for all municipalities, departments, regions, >> intermunicipal authorities ... >> >> insee.fr >> [image: favicon.ico] >> >> >> >> [image: GettyImages-174602127-scaled.jpg] >> >> Behind the Dordogne’s right turn >> >> politico.eu >> >> >> >> It has an average population density of 46 people per square kilometer, >> spread over 9,000 square kilometers, and the ten largest towns range from >> 4,000 to 30,000 in population. GDPPP is EUR 26,000. 25% of the population >> is under 30 years old. There are 400,000 people in 190,000 households, or >> 2.1 people per household. >> >> This compares with density of 118 per Km^2, GDPPP of EUR 40,000, and 35% >> under age 30 for France overall, and density of 20,000 per Km^2, GDPPP of >> EUR 65,000, and 38% under 30 for Paris. So, the region has far lower >> density than average, less money, and people are older on average. >> Politics are more right-wing, and the sense (generally correct) in most of >> France is that significant infrastructure projects are reserved for Paris, >> while the rest of the country limps along behind at some years of remove. >> >> A typical town looks like this: >> >> [image: PastedGraphic-1.png] >> >> Five hundred people spread in a 500m radius around a road intersection, >> with neighboring similar-sized towns three or four kilometers down each of >> those roads in a relatively dense mesh. >> >> If Jay’s 25km estimate is accurate, that means his network is covering >> 20% of the region. If the population were spread evenly, that would be >> 80,000 people within his service region, in 38,000 households. The fact >> that he mentions 200 families suggests to me that his network is in parts >> of Dordogne that are more rural than average, since it would be very >> difficult to maintain a network at only half-a-percent of homes passed. So >> I’m guessing it doesn’t include any of those towns of thousands of people, >> and is mostly made up of farms and the more typical villages of hundred, or >> hamlets of dozens of people. >> >> There are no IXPs currently in Dordogne. In France, there are seventeen >> IXes, with five in Paris and two in Marseille. The nearest IXPs to >> Dordogne are seven peers in Pau, 260km to the SSW, and thirteen peers in >> Toulouse, 200km to the SSE. The dense peering of Paris and Marseille are >> each 500km away, in different directions. >> >> As a point of comparison, my family is from Montana, a similarly rural >> area of the U.S., with a population density of 2.7 per square kilometer, >> GDPPP of $45k (EUR 42,000), with towns spaced more like 25km apart. >> Montana has two IXPs, and is 1,800km from the larger IXPs of Chicago and >> the San Francisco Bay Area, and 1,300km from Seattle. I mention this >> because people frequently think “no, the population density is too low >> where I live, I have to backhaul to a big city far away." >> >> Anyway, we look forward to seeing whoever can make it on the call >> tomorrow. Bring your questions and arguments! :-) >> >> -Bill >> >> >> *Tokyo* >> >> *Singapore* >> >> *Mumbai* >> >> *Dubai* >> >> *Johannesburg* >> >> *Paris* >> >> *London* >> >> *New York* >> >> *San Francisco* >> >> Mon 5:00 pm >> >> Mon 4:00 pm >> >> Mon 1:30 pm >> >> Mon 12:00 noon >> >> Mon 10:00 am >> >> Mon 9:00 am >> >> Mon 8:00 am >> >> Mon 3:00 am >> >> Mon 12:00 midnight >> >> Mon 6:00 pm >> >> Mon 5:00 pm >> >> Mon 2:30 pm >> >> Mon 1:00 pm >> >> Mon 11:00 am >> >> Mon 10:00 am >> >> Mon 9:00 am >> >> Mon 4:00 am >> >> Mon 1:00 am >> >> Mon 7:00 pm >> >> Mon 6:00 pm >> >> Mon 3:30 pm >> >> Mon 2:00 pm >> >> Mon 12:00 noon >> >> Mon 11:00 am >> >> Mon 10:00 am >> >> Mon 5:00 am >> >> Mon 2:00 am >> >> Mon 8:00 pm >> >> Mon 7:00 pm >> >> Mon 4:30 pm >> >> Mon 3:00 pm >> >> Mon 1:00 pm >> >> Mon 12:00 noon >> >> Mon 11:00 am >> >> Mon 6:00 am >> >> Mon 3:00 am >> >> Mon 9:00 pm >> >> Mon 8:00 pm >> >> Mon 5:30 pm >> >> Mon 4:00 pm >> >> Mon 2:00 pm >> >> Mon 1:00 pm >> >> Mon 12:00 noon >> >> Mon 7:00 am >> >> Mon 4:00 am >> >> Mon 10:00 pm >> >> Mon 9:00 pm >> >> Mon 6:30 pm >> >> Mon 5:00 pm >> >> Mon 3:00 pm >> >> Mon 2:00 pm >> >> Mon 1:00 pm >> >> Mon 8:00 am >> >> Mon 5:00 am >> >> Mon 11:00 pm >> >> Mon 10:00 pm >> >> Mon 7:30 pm >> >> Mon 6:00 pm >> >> Mon 4:00 pm >> >> Mon 3:00 pm >> >> Mon 2:00 pm >> >> Mon 9:00 am >> >> Mon 6:00 am >> >> Tue 12:00 midnight >> >> Mon 11:00 pm >> >> Mon 8:30 pm >> >> Mon 7:00 pm >> >> Mon 5:00 pm >> >> Mon 4:00 pm >> >> Mon 3:00 pm >> >> Mon 10:00 am >> >> Mon 7:00 am >> >> Tue 1:00 am >> >> Tue 12:00 midnight >> >> Mon 9:30 pm >> >> Mon 8:00 pm >> >> Mon 6:00 pm >> >> Mon 5:00 pm >> >> Mon 4:00 pm >> >> Mon 11:00 am >> >> Mon 8:00 am >> >> Tue 2:00 am >> >> Tue 1:00 am >> >> Mon 10:30 pm >> >> Mon 9:00 pm >> >> Mon 7:00 pm >> >> Mon 6:00 pm >> >> Mon 5:00 pm >> >> Mon 12:00 noon >> >> Mon 9:00 am >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >