From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x836.google.com (mail-qt1-x836.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::836]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7722F3B2A4 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2023 01:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt1-x836.google.com with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-425a3cdbda9so14373851cf.1 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2023 22:42:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702190552; x=1702795352; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=PIgERdIMU6hovJAW0H5TYV/D7dY2ULFcnRtLgChYK7k=; b=ilcv6SuOxQKpqRHBPEQsKo+6grx8pM6yMRneyHf5AW7YW2aJaG9lXzTaY31MP0u+Vt FAuU9g/AvA5FD/6EevAvgs33ybLGGKQ0NxEC41mG1eK2tACSZ/jt3cP880vomyWyLE4n qQJghjYTqfn/zUlnSuDj3EPV4Gzi3nZqFkF65z0x989RzgsJvwWJNdVVe+ySJCXdLEmA v+AhM9MlJ4XPFMq2TnUKwFSGhB6LRWLXnjQv4zqJJ3Nxymejeb3aHxMkODoPBk8OLe6N 6zds8/YnlOGwIi8PqLqWrb9lcYW3mwQLVdHaas9RZIt6+IUfjF8paR77i7scBAcngZfc 1glw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702190552; x=1702795352; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=PIgERdIMU6hovJAW0H5TYV/D7dY2ULFcnRtLgChYK7k=; b=VgpF/jR8zH4GCtia3yjk2G0rTPufJDjhay/ghyO5xSpDD+6Nxc7v5m3UBzCku9Svwy tvAtUbN9wCG0V0I8tqK9fwcZoWA6MJ5CRD7PtkpA/okrqLXi87UnEfHqw/iSyi31EPYD U0bJLSJHAySNF3CgDylyt2qnS5E1FDYpq0ZZt8o6DWiNKQ404KmGstPnhKX9hOQMckVW d9PveMAOgMBYk5+jAvNUTqjQj4Kro9K9HxHHXu7QPwGC2e4anP2zMQxD+tiY5vjR2dU9 GI1+B9uRKCYUBq24SuEO6yuTY42FX/T3oqMvb2eUH7y4702OqE2fZNzkkR/YLKMxKoKm PRPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YykA8u1jYbtvhk2e9VqhRvk33fpmYaSHza/j9t6vCR4gEOnSAHZ RawX2AS3bKknFjA819hsZeCDEzYr5JRkNHFiqogEn7iC X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHGOK1ySS/dcIxsNkShyVoV9Q/dhC213XKOhlO9anB8BsLwACcTbDYgueJZJYOejvX/4mnfxRA0mzOQj6S+igU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1312:b0:423:74a5:a8e with SMTP id v18-20020a05622a131200b0042374a50a8emr4173352qtk.24.1702190551686; Sat, 09 Dec 2023 22:42:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Frantisek Borsik Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 07:54:07 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002c6332060c221f16" Subject: Re: [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 06:42:32 -0000 --0000000000002c6332060c221f16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, to be completely honest, I would say its about general public, really - it=E2=80=99s an article in The Verge :-) But yeah. Here=E2=80=99s something they should address: https://github.com/heistp/l4s-tests#key-findings In general - a potential harm to innocent bystanders is a biggest L4S problem: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/frantisekborsik_jonathanmorton-l4s-ietf118-a= ctivity-7128317873571176448-GWAX All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 5:48 AM, Matt Mathis via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > About L4S > > https://www.theverge.com/23655762/l4s-internet-apple-comcast-latency-spee= d-bandwidth > > It says something about their target audience that they feel they need to > explain bytes vs bits. > > Thanks, > --MM-- > Evil is defined by mortals who think they know "The Truth" and use force > to apply it to others. > ------------------------------------------- > Matt Mathis (Email is best) > Home & mobile: 412-654-7529 please leave a message if you must call. > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --0000000000002c6332060c221f16 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, to be completely honest, I would say its about gene= ral public, really - it=E2=80=99s an article in The Verge :-)

But yeah. Here=E2=80=99s something th= ey should address:

https://github.c= om/heistp/l4s-tests#key-findings

In general - a potential harm to innocent bystanders is a bigg= est L4S problem:=C2=A0




All the best,

Frank
= Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
Signal, Tel= egram, WhatsApp:=C2=A0+421919416714=C2=A0
iMessage, mobile:=C2=A0+420775= 230885
Skype: casioa5302ca
frantisek.borsik@gmail.com


On Su= n, 10 Dec 2023 at 5:48 AM, Matt Mathis via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
About L4S

It says somethi= ng about their target audience=C2=A0that they=C2=A0feel they need to explai= n bytes vs bits.

Thanks,
--MM--
Evil is defined by mortals who think = they know "The Truth" and use force to apply it to others.=C2=A0<= br>-------------------------------------------
Matt Mathis=C2=A0 (Email is best)
Home & mobile: 412-654-7529=C2=A0pleas= e leave a message if you must call.

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