From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52a.google.com (mail-ed1-x52a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6B793B2A4 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2023 06:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ed1-x52a.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-550dd0e3304so1429723a12.1 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2023 03:12:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702206758; x=1702811558; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=WEN4rjwB0Tyqln0hlq9flaMOi1Eaza5dYMav7wgvBR4=; b=LS9QwCkD6kYBIodAwqBEozSfV3sgd1aTFz6vtuiK0qLoegEpJ2ha61nehfjg3ZGyAF xu1ay3Kj1CbPBeMJBCohYqmHnjZu2Z/WDz4Gl+s8b9eI7JAr+2EDEgSkHVxcTKkI4Myh QqVpCvTZWjAyfp/kIu173g8jU37y2mazi+FW3nvnDRe23d6ARYzegCBlF8I3xSxu1GYp M4ZX7xSJHrDerlK7yNVzuTy8fKcmJULC0zu12klnX70luvhJVC4w07CDK5yEHgYwHF+R aTTeSSab7DS9/wPHCAuqxTsifljBaT7Y58IGKDVP9uinCzMpfI8udA+amBBkkxMlB81n R7jg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702206758; x=1702811558; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WEN4rjwB0Tyqln0hlq9flaMOi1Eaza5dYMav7wgvBR4=; b=unzoAJv3/PH2DXLKIN+m2SBcMsw8OZB2lr6/aFjs1rOlplrnD7oV38xlp6u9ThQ4Nb L1vNs9uFHja8r74gnycjRB0kkej9sW0IXMC+tz+J2tfsTiji1wi3BIk2Nqp3Wl21tBzp tEKSjZr1MGiUPkOu7ks/ACOpTY8jogAysF83ajOm8QFrM9yfeDOEGBGEdi1yocdCcwpn rJwwUADKRf212M0McWSMYmDbRFDj8vq7MFXiOoPcwwt82uqrWOE8ewrp3Pe7pwRdvTP4 fwVlKkeDnuePo9P5BYu+0tWe5Z07ZDZCe0uBTxPeHmra7UwFBTCoBBJUwQ0mkznEZSpd HtLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzX9+AgGdk+iH3hXtbkha5gA6rhPB+gYSxI6dPM0EiBBjuiq5Jk QCMnO+FEM5RTGVS4Jav38hk2m7k9xY7blinsaAw7JLZn X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEZ7j7ip0b7EtHauennxBQqeSNbfx8JD7q9oTf71vahy1zptGBnQwZCJUhu0MddS3DxKEfjP/VHYEsn5I5EllA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:106:b0:a1e:1da1:73c0 with SMTP id 6-20020a170906010600b00a1e1da173c0mr1741493eje.10.1702206757302; Sun, 10 Dec 2023 03:12:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6f02:30e:b0:60:2fe7:f04d with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2023 03:12:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Sauli Kiviranta Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:12:36 +0200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 11:12:39 -0000 I find it alarming for the future of internet that there is a trend to use elbowing techniques to squeeze metrics out at the expense of all other flows. We know that when nobody plays fair the arms race ends badly. Best regards, Sauli On 12/10/23, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain w= rote: > Well, to be completely honest, I would say its about general public, real= ly > - it=E2=80=99s an article in The Verge :-) > > But yeah. Here=E2=80=99s something they should address: > > https://github.com/heistp/l4s-tests#key-findings > > In general - a potential harm to innocent bystanders is a biggest L4S > problem: > https://www.linkedin.com/posts/frantisekborsik_jonathanmorton-l4s-ietf118= -activity-7128317873571176448-GWAX > > > > > All the best, > > Frank > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik > Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 > iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 > Skype: casioa5302ca > frantisek.borsik@gmail.com > > > On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 5:48 AM, Matt Mathis via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> About L4S >> >> https://www.theverge.com/23655762/l4s-internet-apple-comcast-latency-spe= ed-bandwidth >> >> It says something about their target audience that they feel they need t= o >> explain bytes vs bits. >> >> Thanks, >> --MM-- >> Evil is defined by mortals who think they know "The Truth" and use force >> to apply it to others. >> ------------------------------------------- >> Matt Mathis (Email is best) >> Home & mobile: 412-654-7529 please leave a message if you must call. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> >