From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com (mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFC8C3CB39; Sun, 15 Oct 2023 08:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-vk1-xa2a.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-49dd3bb5348so1337865e0c.0; Sun, 15 Oct 2023 05:41:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697373667; x=1697978467; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=EZQSEM/BwTy9FRaXYHQLeUZmEB+65UnkLmSDvkHNf8Q=; b=LrmWNcGUcPbuRLL/YDeo5HOSiHaf7N8AvQ225RWgHf8hdOrk/SJ0EDsIZjyPXbXmKl D6vmG13kuz3tyJO0Pcj9AYoJ+xCQbVJvXPULXp/i9px/HtwOd8PwEn9BFKI8bus3REEB b32uptsOY3BaX4zsHnMYowCiXEy8LAeE/k7Zj69JsjJbhPfQFqkICYc+hSWgTl8FuRjv iOos/fT868Hv43bMFQwLyH7YBfY20hHZvGluR5/449LHUyL5mEEIzqfFpMkuZRU93/uG KEdBxfx1v4+mAkVcaXRNfFeNpHNQli86FsBDVHxMwA2t6HRUfvQXLAURiQIWQ7mJYytA 7LTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697373667; x=1697978467; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=EZQSEM/BwTy9FRaXYHQLeUZmEB+65UnkLmSDvkHNf8Q=; b=hbya4/ivHsH6fiGO8GLx4EFcgOBl81yrC6qH6r9ghpoSpSIahnlsXRNxs3eYYmeIXi jIRCr2rZc7f9JmNzm9rURdxDsVAkmnzCN5hCRONQBWDN//7jYP0adOvsR3CFyf5ciNn4 MKisgxa2bvwsuOsQxek+cVZo9LIlWlDUol+88z/eQP9UPsB41O5q4lIMIRuXx7FUSIpy 0lqqAHw7nS6Zc4LOF0AepT4KFgLHlnzbFvjQaFOzHSC7JnXaopVt9fOZfW5wvhS/umO9 JuMGJeq1JEegkATZTAOJvh9C1ZKUlyi4uD7MUHGCKvvjOLOFVLmQJCadbpmgX3xmN2mc 4XBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyJP8lg2WFycQeT/cHqrqZRqiG4BFh4+pE3Pc6siVnMlu135To6 rC2aUTVDcWl2N7gZVFQlQGN4LIg+gL1URvkuz6k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEoX81CX28nttFRO2FgrBB5ilz5Pb3eBTJu+d7PHr0+JVnv2K9D5/cymjC+xoceD21yQXTRWFdOSuX9grqvE44= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:6643:0:b0:4a1:7278:3bf5 with SMTP id a64-20020a1f6643000000b004a172783bf5mr15573511vkc.4.1697373666848; Sun, 15 Oct 2023 05:41:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Jim Troutman Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2023 08:40:56 -0400 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: NANOG , =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspect?= =?UTF-8?Q?s_heard_this_time=21?= , libreqos Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000076b78c0607c09ab1" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 15 Oct 2023 09:44:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [NNagain] [LibreQoS] transit and peering costs projections X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2023 12:41:07 -0000 --00000000000076b78c0607c09ab1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Transit 1G wholesale in the right DCs is below $500 per port. 10gigE full port can be had around $1k-1.5k month on long term deals from multiple sources. 100g IP transit ports start around $4k. The cost of transport (dark or wavelength) is generally at least as much as the IP transit cost, and usually more in underserved markets. In the northeast it is very hard to get 10GigE wavelengths below $2k/month to any location, and is generally closer to $3k. 100g waves are starting around $4k and go up a lot. Pricing has come down somewhat over time, but not as fast as transit prices. 6 years ago a 10Gig wave to Boston from Maine would be about $5k/month. Today about $2800. With the cost of XCs in data centers and transport costs, you generally don=E2=80=99t want to go beyond 2x10gigE before jumping to 100. On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 19:02 Dave Taht via LibreQoS < libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data > stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data? > > > https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-An= d-Projected.php > > I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about > $900 - $1.4k (?) in the usa? How about elsewhere? > > ... > > I am under the impression that many IXPs remain very successful, > states without them suffer, and I also find the concept of doing micro > IXPs at the city level, appealing, and now achievable with cheap gear. > Finer grained cross connects between telco and ISP and IXP would lower > latencies across town quite hugely... > > PS I hear ARIN is planning on dropping the price for, and bundling 3 > BGP AS numbers at a time, as of the end of this year, also. > > > > -- > Oct 30: > https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > LibreQoS mailing list > LibreQoS@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/libreqos > --00000000000076b78c0607c09ab1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Transit 1G wholesale in the right DCs is below $500 = per port. =C2=A010gigE full port can be had around $1k-1.5k month on long t= erm deals from multiple sources. =C2=A0 100g IP transit ports start around = $4k. =C2=A0

The cost of = transport (dark or wavelength) is generally at least as much as the IP tran= sit cost, and usually more in underserved markets.=C2=A0 In the northeast i= t is very hard to get 10GigE wavelengths below $2k/month to any location, a= nd is generally closer to $3k. =C2=A0100g waves are starting around $4k and= go up a lot.=C2=A0

Pric= ing has come down somewhat over time, but not as fast as transit prices. = =C2=A0 6 years ago a 10Gig wave to Boston from Maine would be about $5k/mon= th. Today about $2800.=C2=A0

With the cost of XCs in data centers and transport costs, you generall= y don=E2=80=99t want to go beyond 2x10gigE before jumping to 100.=C2=A0

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 19:02 Dave Taht via LibreQoS <libreqos@list= s.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
This set of tren= dlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data
stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data?

https://drpe= ering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.ph= p

I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about
$900 - $1.4k (?) in the usa? How about elsewhere?

...

I am under the impression that many IXPs remain very successful,
states without them suffer, and I also find the concept of doing micro
IXPs at the city level, appealing, and now achievable with cheap gear.
Finer grained cross connects between telco and ISP and IXP would lower
latencies across town quite hugely...

PS I hear ARIN is planning on dropping the price for, and bundling 3
BGP AS numbers at a time, as of the end of this year, also.



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