This has gone from mere cost-shifting to protocol takeover. Self-hosting is
essentially dead because you are guaranteed to get filtered by Outlook and
Gmail, which means that there is de facto embrace-and-extend -- "best
viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600" but for a core standard.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:48 PM Hal Murray via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> [Was Amtrack]
>
>
> > 2) I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is vanishing
> into
> > spam boxes.
>
>
> > What of the 10s of thousands of other emails that have come over the
> years
> > not just from lists.bufferbloat.net but from people trying honestly to
> > communicate?
>
> There is/was a good discussion of all the good things that network geeks
> have
> done.
>
> How about discussing the things they haven't done?
>
> Spam would be pretty high on my list.  It's tangled up with (in)security
> -- a
> lot comes from infected systems or phished accounts.
>
> The current approach to spam is cost shifting.  If you don't pay for your
> abuse desk, the crap that you send or phishing sites you host..., means
> that
> the rest of the net has to spend more on defense.
>
> Anybody remember Spamford Wallace?  He was going to setup a spam friendly
> ISP.
>  Nobody would connect to him.  I wonder what would happen if a few ISPs
> that
> host a lot of abuse had  more troubles getting connected to the net.
> Would a
> few well publicized examples be enough to spread the word?
>
>
>
> High on my list would be dis/mis-information.  The business model seems to
> be
> to show customers things that will keep them online so you can show them
> more
> ads.  Gues what does that?
>
> Is this also cost shifting?  It's society as a whole that has to pay for
> the
> disruption caused by bogus information.
>
>
> --
> These are my opinions.  I hate spam.
>
>
>
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