This has gone from mere cost-shifting to protocol takeover. Self-hosting is essentially dead because you are guaranteed to get filtered by Outlook and Gmail, which means that there is de facto embrace-and-extend -- "best viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600" but for a core standard.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:48 PM Hal Murray via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
[Was Amtrack]


> 2) I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is vanishing into
> spam boxes.


> What of the 10s of thousands of other emails that have come over the years
> not just from lists.bufferbloat.net but from people trying honestly to
> communicate?

There is/was a good discussion of all the good things that network geeks have
done.

How about discussing the things they haven't done?

Spam would be pretty high on my list.  It's tangled up with (in)security -- a
lot comes from infected systems or phished accounts.

The current approach to spam is cost shifting.  If you don't pay for your
abuse desk, the crap that you send or phishing sites you host..., means that
the rest of the net has to spend more on defense.

Anybody remember Spamford Wallace?  He was going to setup a spam friendly ISP.
 Nobody would connect to him.  I wonder what would happen if a few ISPs that
host a lot of abuse had  more troubles getting connected to the net.  Would a
few well publicized examples be enough to spread the word?



High on my list would be dis/mis-information.  The business model seems to be
to show customers things that will keep them online so you can show them more
ads.  Gues what does that?

Is this also cost shifting?  It's society as a whole that has to pay for the
disruption caused by bogus information.


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