From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-x1133.google.com (mail-yw1-x1133.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBE823CB37 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2023 02:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-yw1-x1133.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-5a7c011e113so46480737b3.1 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2023 23:24:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697351073; x=1697955873; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vRQdibyBogK50Gx9h6xGhoIWamliMPheqPAbSjS2Skg=; b=T2ltrY/zy18J9NNqhpPu+eUAT3SKw1P78DM85BW5C8y8hZGH/UYY8RqyTCTqSKqZs6 8pJbs0yRTSYr8vjoHRx4Kc2HOiS/N6ym1Ak87ciOVx9jKF97172l0b7ocuqtPdseReCQ Jk0I3XK8Wx6EKmv2srOn1GW778BUOl9kGtIMQmGdTpjXXPyD04x61+ZMiXJEdPjkw1HD jtOXc+iVGAiAAIthoB4CvZpZV7xFpAnEXPMoBjigW8/a4YebGy01+qge1G/4Bir9FXz2 Cam+dq2V9WI3n76NW2YRRu/4A2etjGkaXXu7Z3RQVYoI5TVOO/wkCfRezOk6zT71xP0J fKqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697351073; x=1697955873; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vRQdibyBogK50Gx9h6xGhoIWamliMPheqPAbSjS2Skg=; b=NYzdtsuHLyFfaQSp6LUPi9WBQQtI4/S5kgC5CnyVSRG57Pp90pZrm1lqKV7RoQEynU j+kO2MhqPnjwfKzAOeNwSRPKKJFq7kn4lDh29TUdAro7ehaH1zLHsuWgFyCYTi4objYD 3VUfE+oX0uBQ83ir+DGrTQ8nyIFcqNTKFclivuvvqMIlIywYfiyjoCxIZHpNM1HK/x0m HUkAX6v3BrN7QxjWiOaCOjuIkoC2IvFD+1K5fsjWIPUGia12H16MHuKfCtAG4AoAy9qQ acgTVVCDUPtjdKzeW7G/NUrqpGwGho/w+dLaIwJp+ztiBnevwKL5fjbZzEg7HainBNqR SuTg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwyhfRuGRbAz8zH8b4qPXeB3Y9ho3jYJS5yjnK5NrN6gFt6kAqo ASN7hdXDYZMPAPdiOIpgEtols4m2KLTEPo8rFJsSOypx X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEyWsFcpWfq4Y7h6KLiPhoEbcVkEYhGQ8rXJ2C/7I81RGI6+vee56pU8EdYv3MP3b4twJ6s9EPAbihsCk/KxXQ= X-Received: by 2002:a81:ab42:0:b0:59b:de0f:c23b with SMTP id d2-20020a81ab42000000b0059bde0fc23bmr29823801ywk.46.1697351073321; Sat, 14 Oct 2023 23:24:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: H Kazemi Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2023 01:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c8d61f0607bb5741" Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2023 06:24:34 -0000 --000000000000c8d61f0607bb5741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The grand approach is to immediately use the whole billion to advance one or more important matters. The opposite approach would be to treat it as an endowment, and only spend from the annual gains. A 5% return means $50 million per year. There are countless middle positions as well, if one needs more bootstrap capital for something important and is simultaneously willing to reduce the potential annual endowment returns. The midpoint scenario is to use $500 million for critical bootstrapping efforts, and leave the remaining $500 million to produce $25 million annual returns. Some things to consider: 1.) Which efforts will others want to be partners in? Partnerships can extend how far seed capital will go. But diverging interests might complicate things later, taking things in unintended directions. 2.) Which efforts are important to do but aren't attracting enough interest and funding today, but have the potential of being self-sustaining if they reach a critical mass? This might include funding certain technology or approaches that have mostly been pushed to the wayside. Examples: Repairable/reusable/upgradable/modular hardware comes to mind. Framework laptops are step in this direction. Closed non-upgradeable hardware, non-repurposable hardware goes in the opposite direction. Contrast the medium to long term reuse prospects for a Framework laptop vs a MacBook Air. Or a WiFi router (maybe RPi based) that is OpenWRT compatible vs fully proprietary. How about other electronics? How about fully open source hardware and open source software solutions available for each kind of electronics? Offering polished solutions matters; breaking or losing existing functionality needs to be strongly avoided. To replace the status quo, the new alternative must do an overall better job. Or to step away from electronics...how about expanding the availability and use of modular building systems? One system, called Gridbeam, uses perforated square wooden or metal sticks, hardware, accessories, parts, and tooling. It uses reusable parts and can be assembled with basic tools. Some wooden Ikea furniture already is physically quite close to what can be created using the Gridbeam system. https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Gridbeam 3.) Are there efforts that are worth doing on an entirely altruistic basis, because they're important to do for societal advancement and continuity reasons, regardless of the financials? Examples: Freeing up certain patents. Open sourcing certain technology. Maybe reforming the patent, copyright, and right to repair laws. Addressing policy problems (including NN) and other roadblocks that hurt creativity, innovation, and prevent us from doing what is actually technically possible today but is being blocked by other factors. Libraries and knowledge sharing comes to mind. Making science, including communicating how we got to where we are now, accessible to all also matters. Sufficiently advanced technology doesn't run on magic. On Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 23:44 Dave Taht via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here... > > What would *you* do with a billion dollars? > > ... > > I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much: > > http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/ > > -- > Oct 30: > https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --000000000000c8d61f0607bb5741 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The grand approach is to immediately use the whole billio= n to advance one or more important matters.

The opposite approach would be to treat it = as an endowment, and only spend from the annual gains. A 5% return means $5= 0 million per year.

= There are countless middle positions as well, if one needs more bootstrap c= apital for something important and is simultaneously willing to reduce the = potential annual endowment returns. The midpoint scenario is to use $500 mi= llion for critical bootstrapping efforts, and leave the remaining $500 mill= ion to produce $25 million annual returns.

Some things to consider:

1.) Which efforts will others want to be partners in? P= artnerships can extend how far seed capital will go. But diverging interest= s might complicate things later, taking things in unintended directions.

2.) Which efforts are impo= rtant to do but aren't attracting enough interest and funding today, bu= t have the potential of being self-sustaining if they reach a critical mass= ? This might include funding certain technology or approaches that have mos= tly been pushed to the wayside.

Examples: Repairable/reusable/upgradable/modular hardware comes t= o mind. Framework laptops are step in this direction. Closed non-upgradeabl= e hardware, non-repurposable hardware goes in the opposite direction. Contr= ast the medium to long term reuse prospects for a Framework laptop vs a Mac= Book Air. Or a WiFi router (maybe RPi based) that is OpenWRT compatible vs = fully proprietary. How about other electronics? How about fully open source= hardware and open source software solutions available for each kind of ele= ctronics? Offering polished solutions matters; breaking or losing existing = functionality needs to be strongly avoided. To replace the status quo, the = new alternative must do an overall better job.

<= /div>
Or to step away from electronics...how about expandi= ng the availability and use of modular building systems? One system, called= Gridbeam, uses perforated square wooden or metal sticks, hardware, accesso= ries, parts, and tooling. It uses reusable parts and can be assembled with = basic tools. Some wooden Ikea furniture already is physically quite close t= o what can be created using the Gridbeam system.=C2=A0https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Gridbeam

3.) Are there efforts that are wo= rth doing on an entirely altruistic basis, because they're important to= do for societal advancement and continuity reasons, regardless of the fina= ncials?

Examples: Freein= g up certain patents. Open sourcing certain technology. Maybe reforming the= patent, copyright, and right to repair laws. Addressing policy problems (i= ncluding NN) and other roadblocks that hurt creativity, innovation, and pre= vent us from doing what is actually technically possible today but is being= blocked by other factors. Libraries and knowledge sharing comes to mind. M= aking science, including communicating how we got to where we are now, acce= ssible to all also matters. Sufficiently advanced technology doesn't ru= n on magic.



On Thu, Oct 1= 2, 2023, 23:44 Dave Taht via Nnagain <n= nagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...

What would *you* do with a billion dollars?

...

I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:

http://the-edge.ta= ht.net/post/billion/

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