From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa1-x32.google.com (mail-oa1-x32.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B70AD3B2A4 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 03:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oa1-x32.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-1dc9c2b2b79so3109480fac.0 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 00:09:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697612945; x=1698217745; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=2VE5pLYfM995tU4KCZq16PIwjZWfV+Bw6njjUA4x2ig=; b=g1dWw+Rfa98h24/yFKlUubsz+Y+Yp3xDqPUHbJR9vUh0XZfRcr7SrWbREkgKyzE7JC Fz1OHPgvxUNQxsjw9pSaK2WC5cw7NiLkz/71F99RQP+7pGPXKBaG3TEloiNu+FJ+PUaB s5F23am1H1VMYHGSd7tFtVqZsgMseJBW/QNn570wewHWPSTDpn7mPuzgwQaLkgA6FRYG W1NZB1nmvmAE/g45YAUyoCE95bHf67SmImBUIIs2DlJ3OADbFz/rr9IRMITTvJlHl65u OA+RXqnOXOO2u9o6LT/UtdGBQbdm0jjyUr3CkjJC40PPwIOvue9cbc/D+Zd2Bjx4PrgZ fueg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697612945; x=1698217745; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=2VE5pLYfM995tU4KCZq16PIwjZWfV+Bw6njjUA4x2ig=; b=vZPuAKif7If9uEVZ/3Qkl+1E7bNYFC29eqOFwcafmN/t5AoN29EZnzR8YK5DrbJ6gu X+oRZk8STqWyCHAG4hMOGt/eunmWgKVMCjGO8tDxQc4yldqqTHXUf1n8csv9vMQC0dmV KNnyzI9T6vdUrffHP6i4wlMW2fvPLGvUP3fCRtz4CWVutu73TUJzSoiu2hhA7+yHUXe7 +TL7Du9QTs+F4XRe2g+TPH7KexILo2yXd0skPsml++Dk4RfT497gGQ/ci5Zon8proHq3 oxFocGxyJd/xedMtAxX+pH/JYYXv7mk5rcANO02CmByTscoI2fSuxLI3IYizuHOH9czW cxRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwM7lqSqmdx54rKgD2p1ypnj+eT66ucVkGWy1RpLEaR/RwUHgPe PQIVe46DKHs2rnKZ01cbFdHS0WEZ8T+2KGVZsaZto8+nE8U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHrKl6WbFrlTuNRI1ZB5P4syLq/AqhlL/03RvrzqSkFG6RdiirORUaIv5szXAbMjiksFKi1QMUKIz9JrkvglOc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:be8b:b0:1e9:de37:a75d with SMTP id nx11-20020a056870be8b00b001e9de37a75dmr4972637oab.17.1697612944645; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 00:09:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7FAB46F4-EA85-446F-BCC0-B79C03E0C11D@comcast.com> In-Reply-To: <7FAB46F4-EA85-446F-BCC0-B79C03E0C11D@comcast.com> Reply-To: thejoff@mail.com From: le berger des photons Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 09:08:56 +0200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008844af0607f850b3" Subject: Re: [NNagain] Small ISP Carve Out X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 07:09:06 -0000 --0000000000008844af0607f850b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but an ISP and its clients should be able to agree together on anything which they feel works for them. The only rule that I see that should apply is that there should be proper disclosure. This rule already exists. It is contract law. All of this regulation would make it impossible for an Isp and its customers to do something that they all WANT to do. That would be like them deciding to dump their waste oil all over the ground IF they had their own planet. Though that would be perhaps stupid, all of the affected people agree to it, they should be able to do it. It's THEIR planet! On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:45=E2=80=AFPM Livingood, Jason via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > =E2=80=9CSmall Broadband Providers Urge FCC to Leave Them Out of Some Net > Neutrality Rules=E2=80=9D See > https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/10/small-broadband-providers-urge-fcc= -to-leave-them-out-of-some-net-neutrality-rules/. > My personal opinion is any rules should apply to all providers. After all= , > my locally-owned small car mechanic does not get to opt out of EPA rules > for used motor oil disposal since they are small and have 4 employees and > small organic farms don=E2=80=99t get to opt out of food safety rules or = labeling. > > > > JL > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --0000000000008844af0607f850b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
but an ISP and its clients should be able to agree to= gether on anything which they feel works for them.=C2=A0 The only rule that= I see that should apply is that there should be proper disclosure.=C2=A0 T= his rule already exists.=C2=A0 It is contract law.=C2=A0 All of this regula= tion would make it impossible for an Isp=C2=A0 and its customers to do some= thing that they all WANT to do.

That would be= like them deciding to dump their waste oil all over the ground IF they had= their own planet.=C2=A0 Though that would be perhaps stupid,=C2=A0 all of = the affected people agree to it,=C2=A0 they should be able to do it.=C2=A0 = It's THEIR planet!

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:45=E2=80=AFPM Liv= ingood, Jason via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

=E2=80=9CSmall Broadb= and Providers Urge FCC to Leave Them Out of Some Net Neutrality Rules=E2=80= =9D See https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2023/10/small-broadband-providers-urge-fcc-t= o-leave-them-out-of-some-net-neutrality-rules/. My personal opinion is = any rules should apply to all providers. After all, my locally-owned small = car mechanic does not get to opt out of EPA rules for used motor oil disposal since they are small and have= 4 employees and small organic farms don=E2=80=99t get to opt out of food s= afety rules or labeling.

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