From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa1-x36.google.com (mail-oa1-x36.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 865233B29D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oa1-x36.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-1dd8304b980so2864117fac.2 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:16:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697458605; x=1698063405; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=IXKdRajeXZzssmpLXNgfQdIrCZ7Noym03ckr7wZhji4=; b=lMpaAsnTiwZg2L3HEfemTKtbJxt1p2YL0Fg6w4Vla6lGjsppmy/79B6n/fOiElUIyj 2e8P8cM4eneYgQ29MF48ovXL2YGU3G0QPahX4a+bUhis4XL7K74MIRE4OmRhSiuxSAV3 Jp3TjjgRIXlCC8fhd4WAijG7rWFHxtqF3W3c4P9E/5C2ozy7jTmpAiaz6aulZXJFC0KA aXpZtANkA6sagfNV3UqU7zPb91H2e5SpcdN4B24746zHURxMXdttNUBhmUnbhZxKDozk Z53Zi64BT7Uvn5hLV2UxnLbI788JghTzLi+MWFFyvXvLyqRkrO9FMZ/jrFAU0UJW8FRU UGaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697458605; x=1698063405; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=IXKdRajeXZzssmpLXNgfQdIrCZ7Noym03ckr7wZhji4=; b=kqW7iUCTkOdhsUPAhUaxcUGoLU30GKJEkXO1m64MJ5zDHfKvh5WXtZ6aIE/OG/f6R2 X5PFZfVjUpZnDCgvuLkR7Larx+OTuR+Z5xx+I4Ed/zw5fNbl61kCN92irXD3TJlbwSl0 qKO37F5i6G1g2JwJTaEbqAm1O+WhTLq1Ei65OT6hLlT/Sg9C1Nn9saj1OONTu7z245OY TGqi0F4dz0psDDKZwOE5BW5SUdZ09sgLLKCqPkAPxAbsMSRLOCFaB1d0ZGX19pvYgV3+ OpWSqU/o0pY0hIIAxqqPiB38n93PyGoSrV4Rmbzzoo445tgupL20F20lbIoAgnpErTMx uLVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxTTADmIWn/ZDrQEYSixS9YXk1qr66e2NVnWwkCCxJpX78/9nAh qSXC4xaB0qodDROnBxNE1lyt/lQgOxQan9CZPuX1Rm7YCoEdpU2q X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFCW6OwDFfAIqedbFxBFzkFRq4bKi00SkgcWnEKwib+VXyGOXlQUK+wOzs470ENrUO7umrjVMdc2Q0/TXA+Eak= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:7d12:b0:1ea:3746:b7d6 with SMTP id os18-20020a0568707d1200b001ea3746b7d6mr3742648oab.28.1697458604734; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:16:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: thejoff@mail.com From: le berger des photons Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 14:16:35 +0200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000027fe670607d46133" Subject: Re: [NNagain] state broadband offices X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:16:45 -0000 --00000000000027fe670607d46133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loon's ten years with backing from we don't know where doesn't compare well with Sherwin's 50 years of constant success, billion dollar receipts nearly all plowed back into the business with no expense spared for taking proper care of the employees. For me, the comparison ends with Loon basically cheating on those patents you spoke of. On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 1:57=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:11=E2=80=AFAM le berger des photons via Nnagai= n > wrote: > > > > here is the best idea I've ever run into regarding getting artificial > network connectivity (as opposed to the inborn network we have and have > been programmed to ignore or had our pinneal glands poisoned) out to > everybody regardless of how few or many neighbors they have: > > > > https://patents.justia.com/inventor/sherwin-i-seligsohn > > The patents above have mostly expired, as has the fella who did them. > He woul have been interesting to talk to. > > > this went nowhere because the New World ODOR didn't want it to, as it > was only good for all of us and none of them. > > The x loon project tried to bring suborbital internet via balloon. > Great post-mortum here: > > > https://storage.googleapis.com/x-prod.appspot.com/files/The%20Loon%20Libr= ary.pdf > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:37=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> > >> Since texas has been a focus, here is that broadband office, and many > others. > >> > >> https://broadband.money/state-broadband-offices/texas > >> director: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grconte/ > >> > >> I started this list in the hope that we could constructively engage > >> across professions, and try to propose ideas that made sense for > >> genuinely improving the internet. As of today... Many more (u)IXPs > >> seem like a huge win for humanity in general, and yet are seemingly > >> absent from the national agenda. So... ring up your broadband office, > >> use your linkedin, have a meeting, ask 'em to join this list for > >> constructive discussions? > >> > >> The website above (broadband.io) has mostly been involved with BEAD, > >> but now as it is moving into more deployment phase. It has often been > >> not fun seeing the earnest young faces on the friday AMAs there, (I > >> did one) also trying to do the right things for our internet, through > >> a sea of lobbyists and incomplete technical information. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Oct 30: > https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Nnagain mailing list > >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nnagain mailing list > > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > > > > -- > Oct 30: > https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --00000000000027fe670607d46133 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loon's ten years with backing from we don't know w= here doesn't compare well with Sherwin's 50 years of constant succe= ss,=C2=A0 billion dollar receipts nearly all plowed back into the business = with no expense spared for taking proper care of the employees.

For me,=C2=A0 the comparison ends with Loon basically cheating on t= hose patents you spoke of.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 1:57=E2=80=AFPM Dav= e Taht via Nnagain <nna= gain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:11=E2=80=AFAM le berge= r des photons via Nnagain
<nnag= ain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> here is the best idea I've ever run into regarding getting artific= ial network connectivity (as opposed to the inborn network we have and have= been programmed to ignore or had our pinneal glands poisoned) out to every= body regardless of how few or many neighbors they have:
>
> https://patents.justia.com/inventor/sher= win-i-seligsohn

The patents above have mostly expired, as has the fella who did them.
He woul have been interesting to talk to.

> this went nowhere because the New World ODOR didn't want it to, as= it was only good for all of us and none of them.

The x loon project tried to bring suborbital internet via balloon.
Great post-mortum here:

https://storage.goog= leapis.com/x-prod.appspot.com/files/The%20Loon%20Library.pdf


>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:37=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@list= s.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> Since texas has been a focus, here is that broadband office, and m= any others.
>>
>> https://broadband.money/state-broadban= d-offices/texas
>> director: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grconte/
>>
>> I started this list in the hope that we could constructively engag= e
>> across professions, and try to propose ideas that made sense for >> genuinely improving the internet. As of today... Many more (u)IXPs=
>> seem like a huge win for humanity in general, and yet are seemingl= y
>> absent from the national agenda. So... ring up your broadband offi= ce,
>> use your linkedin, have a meeting, ask 'em to join this list f= or
>> constructive discussions?
>>
>> The website above (broadband.io) has mostly been involved with BEAD,=
>> but now as it is moving into more deployment phase. It has often b= een
>> not fun seeing the earnest young faces on the friday AMAs there, (= I
>> did one) also trying to do the right things for our internet, thro= ugh
>> a sea of lobbyists and incomplete technical information.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Oct 30: https://netdevc= onf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nnagain mailing list
>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagai= n
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nna= gain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain



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