From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1035.google.com (mail-pj1-x1035.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 898D63CB37 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 16:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pj1-x1035.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-299e4b352cdso228242a91.0 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 13:38:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708637884; x=1709242684; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YAgYwgkySUGHTnNb21NdvUxyo5DoC/e3MvUhMZQy3P4=; b=SncWnUV0/tkCxMwfIGpkUeUBTqyxbiGREd6Sw8F/O3jIG3Nc3vW3pDQz8qhzt7BCuM 1d0ZQY6azT3WMkvlyusyNWAhx3JzjHORfFOG2A1U5qIBy1auW3w2/7Hz7R3irfNhMKM8 JmUicd4JNe83SZzs9eGJOWT3AQ8YHXJaIOUkyMYhbgnf3xnvT9C4cOpanLjxsDrROHXw Jt3NWHdbEswT8O5D2b+EuOFn/i3nx3XXiqhBnMqJth7OdzQSIA0ortvhTP0r607ZeCZM mQABqhM4y4yWsuwQQAfe+6dw7fMJiG4lOfKpbS1teNfpBDnaxmrahCLJjFuBAAMA7ltG olMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708637884; x=1709242684; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=YAgYwgkySUGHTnNb21NdvUxyo5DoC/e3MvUhMZQy3P4=; b=lr076qgT7b6Ebt8+32vqV2F04VtY4I5LIDorbipQmE4Q3hrLxaRIEl34xuRGN93p7g SEnwLokSK+gzqKkuogDgQpRhbCHwaCoAqaoWeko6RrV6bpHrngimg5Y71eCkH5l6GMay tfuEWXOCOegYJ5OQqCxuQlFynMUBYb93K7CWT3urfAy7LrFo/eSvc4rx+A67UY9NV4ub KlnRPQXvBYodEArXlADTWdExIGtD0ZMQvYVcIhnSXFGVBPiZGn9ZeggT+B4lEEZUiu06 RwBCla6F3v9/tfHtNsSKaVTHyzZRT6rGXFMs+AxsWrdLFkVt2UPPED37K0e4AoFrlh37 FZhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywa3ArJQxR6B7scnlasckHolGYSJqJOmD1JpecWViOeqKz4F/5Y 2J2yioAnVT1/GWARj18OiDoKJsRfvf4BouEpn7MpnkErDhGgZXfDx8H7uUC2V2unXc1y2DhliQM ENnZ6FH4jh7QE2ojMd4ztXJp8D/OpxOaY0IQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH/q19rG2GR/ePaub209qPeh+L89LsEt+zJ/M1w4p5QljQA5QCVFgIrQFfxyAvLq7M2zIzRITjIn4bJhIYVSa4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:802:b0:299:d96f:9145 with SMTP id bk2-20020a17090b080200b00299d96f9145mr109108pjb.0.1708637884216; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 13:38:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: thejoff@gmail.com From: le berger des photons Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 22:37:52 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000237cc50611ff421a" Subject: Re: [NNagain] Cellular outage in US hits AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon users, Downdetector shows + Cyberattacks on hospitals are likely to increase, putting lives at risk, experts warn X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 21:38:05 -0000 --000000000000237cc50611ff421a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable given the plus minus statistics of the american health care system putting them out of business might save more lives than it takes, except that they'll just kill those people later. On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 10:11=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 3:52=E2=80=AFPM David Bray, PhD via Nnagain > wrote: > > > > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/cellular-outage-in-us-hits-at-= t-t-mobile-and-verizon-users-downdetector-shows/ar-BB1iHBMF > > I had feared this was the natural outgrowth of the devastating DNS > KEYTRAP attack that was announced yesterday: > > https://www.darkreading.com/cloud-security/keytrap-dns-bug-threatens-wide= spread-internet-outages > > But so far the bet on nanog is that "oops, cisco deleted the sim database= ." > > I think they are being snarky about "the" sim database. I=C2=B4m pretty > sure they are just being snarky... > > > A cellular outage in the United States was reported by AT&T, T-Mobile, > Verizon and other network users on Thursday, according to outage tracking > website Downdetector.com. > > > > The number of reports of AT&T outages peaked at 31,931 at around 4:30 > a.m. ET, data from Downdetector, which tracks outages by collating status > reports from sources including user-submitted errors on its platform, > showed. > > > > More than 800 service outages of U.S. wireless carriers Verizon and > T-Mobile were also reported on the platform. > > > > Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T did not immediately reply to Reuters' > requests for comment. > > > > And this - I was just on a call where it's clear this is increasing: > https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/cyberattacks-on-hospitals-ar= e-likely-to-increase-putting-lives-at-risk-experts-warn/ar-BB1ihhll > > > > WASHINGTON (AP) =E2=80=94 Cybersecurity experts are warning that hospit= als > around the country are at risk for attacks like the one that is crippling > operations at a premier Midwestern children's hospital, and that the U.S. > government is doing too little prevent such breaches. > > > > Hospitals in recent years have shifted their use of online technology t= o > support everything from telehealth to medical devices to patient records. > Today, they are a favorite target for internet thieves who hold systems' > data and networks hostage for hefty ransoms, said John Riggi, the America= n > Hospital Association=E2=80=99s cybersecurity adviser. > > > > -- > > David Bray, PhD Principal, LeadDoAdapt Ventures, Inc. > > Loomis Innovation Council Co-Chair & Distinguished Fellow > > Henry S. Stimson Center, Business Executives for National Security > > _______________________________________________ > > Nnagain mailing list > > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > > > > -- > 40 years of net history, a couple songs: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --000000000000237cc50611ff421a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
given the plus minus statistics of the american health car= e system putting them out of business might save more lives than it takes, = except that they'll just kill those people later.

On Thu, Feb 22, 2024= at 10:11=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
=
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 3= :52=E2=80=AFPM David Bray, PhD via Nnagain
<nnag= ain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/techno= logy/cellular-outage-in-us-hits-at-t-t-mobile-and-verizon-users-downdetecto= r-shows/ar-BB1iHBMF

I had feared this was the natural outgrowth of the devastating DNS
KEYTRAP attack that was announced yesterday:
http= s://www.darkreading.com/cloud-security/keytrap-dns-bug-threatens-widespread= -internet-outages

But so far the bet on nanog is that "oops, cisco deleted the sim datab= ase."

I think they are being snarky about "the" sim database. I=C2=B4m = pretty
sure they are just being snarky...

> A cellular outage in the United States was reported by AT&T, T-Mob= ile, Verizon and other network users on Thursday, according to outage track= ing website Downdetector.com.
>
> The number of reports of AT&T outages peaked at 31,931 at around 4= :30 a.m. ET, data from Downdetector, which tracks outages by collating stat= us reports from sources including user-submitted errors on its platform, sh= owed.
>
> More than 800 service outages of U.S. wireless carriers Verizon and T-= Mobile were also reported on the platform.
>
> Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T did not immediately reply to Reuters= 9; requests for comment.
>
> And this -=C2=A0 I was just on a call where it's clear this is inc= reasing: https://www.msn.com/en-us/= health/health-news/cyberattacks-on-hospitals-are-likely-to-increase-putting= -lives-at-risk-experts-warn/ar-BB1ihhll
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) =E2=80=94 Cybersecurity experts are warning that hospi= tals around the country are at risk for attacks like the one that is crippl= ing operations at a premier Midwestern children's hospital, and that th= e U.S. government is doing too little prevent such breaches.
>
> Hospitals in recent years have shifted their use of online technology = to support everything from telehealth to medical devices to patient records= . Today, they are a favorite target for internet thieves who hold systems&#= 39; data and networks hostage for hefty ransoms, said John Riggi, the Ameri= can Hospital Association=E2=80=99s cybersecurity adviser.
>
> --
> David Bray, PhD Principal, LeadDoAdapt Ventures, Inc.
> Loomis Innovation Council Co-Chair & Distinguished Fellow
> Henry S. Stimson Center, Business Executives for National Security
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nna= gain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain



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