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On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990 vi= a Nnagain wrote: > Hello Dr. David. > > > The gravity at the surface of the Moon is larger than might be expected > since the volume to radius ratio is as r squared, so that with a differen= ce > of 100 times that is a factor of 100x in gravity at surface we can predic= t > that the rocks they'll be throwing at us we'll be falling up that is thro= wn > out of the gravity wall for 1/10 the trip roughly and falling down that i= s > falling into that gravity well for 9/10 of the trip causing an overall > Factor of enormous acceleration. Offhand I would say the process would > achieve 80% of escape velocity. > > The Australian science agency has a nice chart out for asteroid type > objects on their website. It summarizes the relationship between the many > many small rocks which are in our system and the very few large rocks whi= ch > accompany them as they move at various speeds knowing only statistical > information about how many rocks of which size and how fast they're movin= g > and what energy the net result is > > They quote figures of atta joules. So once given the upward that is > towards the Earth impetus a mere Boulder could do really significant dama= ge > assuming that the transit time could be controlled carefully in their was > either accurate aiming or some type of midcourse correction to get the > target secured. > > Trying to find my way back on topic to Net neutrality. Maybe a moon base > could be set up with a transmitter powered by a small nuclear reactor > receiving signals from Earth and retransmitting them to make the > connections for data and voice. Compared to lofting a satellite having th= e > time to construct such an item on the surface of the Moon would be > advantageous the way it seems to me. I'm pretty sure that a satellite wou= ld > have to be put into place in orbit with its power supply and all that and > that's what starling does bloody bloody blah. > > By the way I'm running for president. > / / < GONCZ2028 > / > > > Cheers > Doug > > > > >> >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024, 10:04 AM David Bray, PhD >> wrote: >> >> ... >> > >> > Meanwhile China probably will land humans on the moon within the next >> four >> > years of whomever is the next U.S. President. That may happen before t= he >> > U.S. returns to the Moon. Either way, a "base" on the Moon by 2035 >> (which >> > is PRC's goal) even if it's robots - or humans with the risk of loss o= f >> > life) raises some challenges in terms of SIGINT, GEOINT, and the gener= al >> > ability to hurl rocks into Earth's gravity well.... > > > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --0000000000002932e4063089ea75 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
you seem dazed and confused enough to be president.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM Douglas Goncz A.= A.S. M.E.T. 1990 via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Hello Dr. Davi= d.

Th= e gravity at the surface of the Moon is larger than might be expected since= the volume to radius ratio is as r squared, so that with a difference of 1= 00 times that is a factor of 100x in gravity at surface we can predict that= the rocks they'll be throwing at us we'll be falling up that is th= rown out of the gravity wall for 1/10 the trip roughly and falling down tha= t is falling into that gravity well for 9/10 of the trip causing an overall= Factor of enormous acceleration. Offhand I would say the process would ach= ieve 80% of escape velocity.

The Australian science agency has a nice chart out for asteroid type o= bjects on their website. It summarizes the relationship between the many ma= ny small rocks which are in our system and the very few large rocks which a= ccompany them as they move at various speeds knowing only statistical infor= mation about how many rocks of which size and how fast they're moving a= nd what energy the net result is=C2=A0

They quote figures of atta joules. So once given the upward = that is towards the Earth impetus a mere Boulder could do really significan= t damage assuming that the transit time could be controlled carefully in th= eir was either accurate aiming or some type of midcourse correction to get = the target secured.

Tryi= ng to find my way back on topic to Net neutrality. Maybe a moon base could = be set up with a transmitter powered by a small nuclear reactor receiving s= ignals from Earth and retransmitting them to make the connections for data = and voice. Compared to lofting a satellite having the time to construct suc= h an item on the surface of the Moon would be advantageous the way it seems= to me. I'm pretty sure that a satellite would have to be put into plac= e in orbit with its power supply and all that and that's what starling = does bloody bloody blah.

By the way I'm running for president.=C2=A0
/ /= < GONCZ2028 > /

<= br>
Cheers
Doug





On Mon, Oct 7, 2024, 10:04 AM David Bray, PhD <david.a.br= ay@gmail.com>
wrote:

...
>
> Meanwhile China probably will land humans on the moon within the next = four
> years of whomever is the next U.S. President. That may happen before t= he
> U.S. returns to the Moon. Either way, a "base" on the Moon b= y 2035 (which
> is PRC's goal) even if it's robots - or humans with the risk o= f loss of
> life) raises some challenges in terms of SIGINT, GEOINT, and the gener= al
> ability to hurl rocks into Earth's gravity well....
>


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