From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc2d.google.com (mail-oo1-xc2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 107103B29D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc2d.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-57b67c84999so2986436eaf.3 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:13:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697458433; x=1698063233; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=nOUP+QY3BOAzt+twLR/3Howiygnht0dKIC9hiaMnKGs=; b=PRt04jaX2cYP0qx25Ukvo7ZJGpga8JhP7H58hvs2dq05GdO0u/Nqbz26bfXMbjJXJM hKGTOH2zLgnJuDwyHTz9IMnf1ZYU0GwPAJ1NnrO7vx/qLi6hGZbjP9XnwDcm88swKCvT noPeO5PIRejX0D/JfJW1m1vTbVfIaV0Prllyf/AP298WUrx/Q7TlrzRZoOzgWI6Hg5JH +c4bFRVVUi3Xk27dwxuIJOJ3tNnzhsSO8MZmorsSEYAVCk5nMzYIEyoVU0fOHIjm1/gy dp4mVXYCWKwKzAcA2o0+q7Nx4lRTEmW8L4pnOjlufen5OdYOn/zho1FoHwSLmMnpQhic Kq1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697458433; x=1698063233; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=nOUP+QY3BOAzt+twLR/3Howiygnht0dKIC9hiaMnKGs=; b=nfiTu1K+59QxKGqcreNZMbHfSNJ6/M4jNJuotjVkF82ezf9fURzhQI6Uw1WEHAZJbB 9DGTnrpxQGsVVkgzsaxv5IoLb4trf/8cE8SRx1jjxZBgieCk716SRD2N7x3Hhw5ekCoM 2037svHifyumVb81mhAFpvJVheXSqNSmoTYVQ2G5cwMEsCe2rYvx4doFwLbL6oJIe8aR lz/w25hvK0rRfZCouGYByaUySgPSqf9LihO8XersM/e3Wb7zZZ8d8jzYdacuah3RqCqM LNwkwgxYgnGtFXtnCpg8siBbxL+h/bjGEXTV3zArwJhxTZrcOc1FHYc90O+HI072KB1H APEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxIjp5uLWovRhCvXJ+7T0GDwvjAgZbHq67b1q9z+vvxul8lc9yB smZ1Ygc0E7t4qnYqgR5d5iV+4+Hs+sPc+f5X0dOJ+sjzO5wHVScq X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH4GaIyvK/KMx7oLJiDJT0aZvRqQhJWHekIfwnlNkD6Q48/CMstld57iU7mtrELt9rWf0AZsoXhV03gjKv4bhQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:46a5:b0:1e9:cb7f:2287 with SMTP id a37-20020a05687046a500b001e9cb7f2287mr13459888oap.46.1697458432539; Mon, 16 Oct 2023 05:13:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: thejoff@mail.com From: le berger des photons Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 14:13:43 +0200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e483ef0607d456b1" Subject: Re: [NNagain] state broadband offices X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 12:13:54 -0000 --000000000000e483ef0607d456b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable am I imagining it or have you also noticed that people who send incrementally changed large files (think graphic artists) used to use software to create an executable file which would turn the last version into the new version using a small fraction of the bandwidth? And that they now don't do it any more even though even with gigabit internet it's a time saver? I never met Sherwin, I knew his son, he married my first girlfriend. I hadn't thought about her much during 30 years, then suddenly felt a need to talk to her. No contact with any connecting people either. Turns out that the instant I had this urge, she was breathing her last breaths. Do you see that as a coincidence? We were on different continents. On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 1:57=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:11=E2=80=AFAM le berger des photons via Nnagai= n > wrote: > > > > here is the best idea I've ever run into regarding getting artificial > network connectivity (as opposed to the inborn network we have and have > been programmed to ignore or had our pinneal glands poisoned) out to > everybody regardless of how few or many neighbors they have: > > > > https://patents.justia.com/inventor/sherwin-i-seligsohn > > The patents above have mostly expired, as has the fella who did them. > He woul have been interesting to talk to. > > > this went nowhere because the New World ODOR didn't want it to, as it > was only good for all of us and none of them. > > The x loon project tried to bring suborbital internet via balloon. > Great post-mortum here: > > > https://storage.googleapis.com/x-prod.appspot.com/files/The%20Loon%20Libr= ary.pdf > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:37=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> > >> Since texas has been a focus, here is that broadband office, and many > others. > >> > >> https://broadband.money/state-broadband-offices/texas > >> director: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grconte/ > >> > >> I started this list in the hope that we could constructively engage > >> across professions, and try to propose ideas that made sense for > >> genuinely improving the internet. As of today... Many more (u)IXPs > >> seem like a huge win for humanity in general, and yet are seemingly > >> absent from the national agenda. So... ring up your broadband office, > >> use your linkedin, have a meeting, ask 'em to join this list for > >> constructive discussions? > >> > >> The website above (broadband.io) has mostly been involved with BEAD, > >> but now as it is moving into more deployment phase. It has often been > >> not fun seeing the earnest young faces on the friday AMAs there, (I > >> did one) also trying to do the right things for our internet, through > >> a sea of lobbyists and incomplete technical information. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Oct 30: > https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Nnagain mailing list > >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nnagain mailing list > > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > > > > -- > Oct 30: > https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --000000000000e483ef0607d456b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
am I imagining it or have you also noticed that people who= send incrementally changed large files (think graphic artists)=C2=A0 used = to use software to create=C2=A0 an executable file which would turn the las= t version into the new version using a small fraction of the bandwidth?=C2= =A0 =C2=A0And that they now don't do it any more even though even with = gigabit internet it's a time saver?

I never met Sher= win,=C2=A0 I knew his son, he married my first girlfriend.=C2=A0 I hadn'= ;t thought about her much during 30 years, then suddenly felt a need to tal= k to her.=C2=A0 No contact with any connecting people either.=C2=A0 Turns o= ut that the instant I had this urge, she was breathing her last breaths.=C2= =A0 Do you see that as a coincidence?=C2=A0 We were on different continents= .

On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 1:57=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.ne= t> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:11=E2=80=AFAM le berger des photons via Nnagain=
<nnag= ain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> here is the best idea I've ever run into regarding getting artific= ial network connectivity (as opposed to the inborn network we have and have= been programmed to ignore or had our pinneal glands poisoned) out to every= body regardless of how few or many neighbors they have:
>
> https://patents.justia.com/inventor/sher= win-i-seligsohn

The patents above have mostly expired, as has the fella who did them.
He woul have been interesting to talk to.

> this went nowhere because the New World ODOR didn't want it to, as= it was only good for all of us and none of them.

The x loon project tried to bring suborbital internet via balloon.
Great post-mortum here:

https://storage.goog= leapis.com/x-prod.appspot.com/files/The%20Loon%20Library.pdf


>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:37=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@list= s.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> Since texas has been a focus, here is that broadband office, and m= any others.
>>
>> https://broadband.money/state-broadban= d-offices/texas
>> director: https://www.linkedin.com/in/grconte/
>>
>> I started this list in the hope that we could constructively engag= e
>> across professions, and try to propose ideas that made sense for >> genuinely improving the internet. As of today... Many more (u)IXPs=
>> seem like a huge win for humanity in general, and yet are seemingl= y
>> absent from the national agenda. So... ring up your broadband offi= ce,
>> use your linkedin, have a meeting, ask 'em to join this list f= or
>> constructive discussions?
>>
>> The website above (broadband.io) has mostly been involved with BEAD,=
>> but now as it is moving into more deployment phase. It has often b= een
>> not fun seeing the earnest young faces on the friday AMAs there, (= I
>> did one) also trying to do the right things for our internet, thro= ugh
>> a sea of lobbyists and incomplete technical information.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Oct 30: https://netdevc= onf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nnagain mailing list
>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagai= n
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Nna= gain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain



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