From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x62f.google.com (mail-ej1-x62f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CECD63CB37 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x62f.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a4467d570cdso267565866b.3 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2024 08:39:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710085185; x=1710689985; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Msuj2DkFfXiiHixOiK1Sasc/iJ/WNSiNWpUDDia1ggc=; b=Ed/21BDnaseFRAy6x7yD+B8df8hC28OCa61DUgNuBGcVoDpVnDhHwH23c6JkXx7+t8 Z+p6Lzk+8J/Eh+ZZomC1+29h2Kl5g/pbWeqqw7EO8vQ5Gu6IM9TR+++f1aOfk87OT4NA AiiB8jPXwbjqYryeL1S804DeTea9R2hvS8YR5SIVgIVbUJktBNzZP40SREULvSoLnAH8 r6M+41tq6CT/3X/G5CHESPvCnTtJGy8Cd3M+J801ccj590Z/ZYICKec6gqyr2sMMjPl0 w7GpKApuT7PrXvEU+YnodWoN4KptXeR/JX6ZCa4a5nyJYN8M6mCAU5BCfwlS7JQnNz2m Ez3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710085185; x=1710689985; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Msuj2DkFfXiiHixOiK1Sasc/iJ/WNSiNWpUDDia1ggc=; b=vYgulIMiVuYxe9Gg8vZ+W6/vMefOcTzPWkPuBFkWKP9n43zxfUorQ7GZTvMW/fVJud pwG5ZnjnOLLACvYGwxr7AJsDRD/MNOBS2YngqUNNGcjFxKOAB7jcHPh79PMXFlNl5/0k 9v+42VcTp0qxWsxMSZekWilCLOuhRD4HZ5fsGQDTfRgPbMKL3YdTbP7eEA3zW/IbttAG Ws1dUxwv/Av5IvYjIvtAArQFzKffSekCKZXPrxr61YYtbFD1fj+CRabVsu5aFcgW9oOS sKooRjbOpdV9GlbzYCS3Er7b5qdP+Zl1fTXd+vms2nJEp0Oe+12lyDw3WFnSnkp+7Spb NGzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwJOiV15e6CX6hqGOv5dswdiRAlxxHuRutXGZ11dzHv/RvnK3so GFyUw+z1HCHkWiZ3LWVXBFeDajkTzLm8Dg+1Feze0Iln9VpDueKjabTRWyWYhwbKE2B8nsi/nzx Hrr9SdeGRByMNyCeq/+SqZzzv897ujvtkivc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEv1Q1CoVhKiDpltlk9jXbPGlsavBf8hWRQN30Gw5zLK+5FA7ioTvIQyksEVWhRxHHb9fq+hbN3nA8+t+QYvH8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:31c7:b0:a46:13f3:eb84 with SMTP id f7-20020a17090631c700b00a4613f3eb84mr1980135ejf.0.1710085184780; Sun, 10 Mar 2024 08:39:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: joe@hamelin.us From: Joe Hamelin Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 08:39:33 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Cc: Vint Cerf , "Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f984250613503b2d" Subject: Re: [NNagain] Flash priority X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:39:47 -0000 --000000000000f984250613503b2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even then, one could just set the Flash Override bit. -Joe On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 1:41=E2=80=AFAM Vint Cerf via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Flash priority is a long dead leftover from US DoD attempt to map its > AUTODIN messaging system priorities to Internet packets. > Never implemented and, as has been mentioned, ignored for all practical > purposes. > > v > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 9:31=E2=80=AFPM Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990 v= ia > Nnagain wrote: > >> One of the things that affects net neutrality and latency is packet >> priority and also density of traffic >> >> Most of you here probably know there's a flash bit that can be set in a >> packet to indicated top priority >> >> My question firstly is flash traffic legally restricted on the Internet >> or can I upload any priority I wish to send? >> >> My question secondly is since I already have firstnet which many of you >> may not know about, >> >> Let me describe that firstly >> >> And I think it was 2012 after 9/11 of 2001 the legislature enacted what >> was to become firstnet who now provided as AT&T sole source >> >> Firstnet reserves band 14 of lte traffic for exclusive use of first >> responders communicating with each other including dispatch >> >> Certain work I do makes me eligible for firstnet plus I feel a lot of >> paperwork to get that filled out a lot of paperwork to get that >> >> Excuse me I can't keyboard it's the microphone doing that >> >> So my second question is assuming you know what firstnet is already woul= d >> I as a firstnet connected person be able to send a flash priority packet= if >> needed? >> >> >> Third question is >> >> Is anyone doing CSD these days? For those of you who don't know CSD take= s >> a hell of a lot of man with to get a little bit of data through but it i= s >> capable of sending a secure fax when needed substituting bandwidth for t= he >> word man GM sorry. >> >> So my hands shake and I can't use the keyboard and I have ADHD which >> leaves errors in place for this I apologize >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > > > -- > Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to: > Vint Cerf > Google, LLC > 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor > Reston, VA 20190 > +1 (571) 213 1346 > > > until further notice > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --=20 Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA Portland, OR, 360-474-7474 --000000000000f984250613503b2d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Even then, one could just set the Flash Override bit.=C2= =A0 -Joe

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 1:41=E2=80=AFAM Vint Cerf via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.ne= t> wrote:
Flash priority is a long dead leftover from US DoD attemp= t to map its AUTODIN messaging system priorities to Internet packets.=C2=A0=
Never implemented and, as has been mentioned, ignored for all practica= l purposes.

v


On Fri, Mar 8, 2= 024 at 9:31=E2=80=AFPM Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990 via Nnagain <nnagain@lis= ts.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
One of the things that affects net neut= rality and latency is packet priority and also density of traffic

Most of you here probably know there&= #39;s a flash bit that can be set in a packet to indicated top priority

My question firstly is flas= h traffic legally restricted on the Internet or can I upload any priority I= wish to send?

My questi= on secondly is since I already have firstnet which many of you may not know= about,

Let me describe = that firstly

And I think= it was 2012 after 9/11 of 2001 the legislature enacted what was to become = firstnet who now provided as AT&T sole source
Firstnet reserves band 14 of lte traffic for excl= usive use of first responders communicating with each other including dispa= tch

Certain work I do ma= kes me eligible for firstnet plus I feel a lot of paperwork to get that fil= led out a lot of paperwork to get that

Excuse me I can't keyboard it's the microphone doing= that

So my second quest= ion is assuming you know what firstnet is already would I as a firstnet con= nected person be able to send a flash priority packet if needed?


Third = question is

Is anyone do= ing CSD these days? For those of you who don't know CSD takes a hell of= a lot of man with to get a little bit of data through but it is capable of= sending a secure fax when needed substituting bandwidth for the word man G= M sorry.

So my hands sha= ke and I can't use the keyboard and I have ADHD which leaves errors in = place for this I apologize
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