From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <517635176358552@replikon.net> Received: from mail-ot1-x32e.google.com (mail-ot1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0F7D3CB37 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2024 12:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ot1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id 46e09a7af769-6e674136ba4so278917a34.2 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:08:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=replikon.net; s=google; t=1710432500; x=1711037300; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=oAVE/NsWco2s6c+Wg02XCc6lXoiNPihmM4c0K81NGLo=; b=DPQt5f4+BBRFohc7ordS+9IJ1MsvECSQTNFVUHryZsrfKUz00ZWlqeG9MrArU0QpAK hkgc4r/InLHZ3ZacpBiKVvDITuLe/xThHh2ZYJg7KgZ+CtjrUlSDpFFnu2Joo8Wj0e7H jDPGg5wUtSuahTGoQliJTkx0HcHajkpFrJLsY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710432500; x=1711037300; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=oAVE/NsWco2s6c+Wg02XCc6lXoiNPihmM4c0K81NGLo=; b=vQtkpZYQWeta9XgZyZYcUOKinRLtP0fBYXQH+T+fTQdnRcHSSXLey2iLR2hppOWVjp CKxqg1iOzewjNQuAlg9uktRrcnJn1Wps33WqD1bU9fgxZWnXVq1s0w5ZyUsKbELhjb0I r6+ntrwSpVExP/41S0io0w6+l1ejR+TUW+NeP0p7TND2jWK2phPg1oCwDDvthLRHVjM/ e9PdKg3gh++h/jKCJ1p17/AvyVpSxFL6Q0goUisZPwSLc6zYChzQkt8jGPLqJ4iziOVd x0cSRB0SAd1enQE1/FlODLEoLscPQyk2YfWPJWju0dgD7AX40v7Tz0W6mnRGVNr7RQeh LLPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YywVLxhC4/t9IWBIZXCsroURb941jzPg2DzD7zYMiWtPJfJ/fBH I1kW2d7wfs2EaWrT6xT9/Ef1YevimeURdwskyr0oC7x/vOrsvy7M7JJzMCTbxywKo6r3x4A0FyO vyKZ4ip0PxgiIMMQ7M5lZkWu6FgmEGI2+8wPdilzNiiSYmS0m1qA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHYjBmvJ7iyRPlp3ue/djIuJxhsIfPFfop98Wm3PCo172rdZjXWbl85RpfkInMQIu4KFbXSl82qyLaajmZn7Fs= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:69d2:0:b0:6e4:fad6:9808 with SMTP id v18-20020a9d69d2000000b006e4fad69808mr1934294oto.35.1710432499793; Thu, 14 Mar 2024 09:08:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990" Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 12:08:07 -0400 Message-ID: To: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009026fc0613a119ba" Subject: Re: [NNagain] Scope of "Network Neutrality"? (Jack Haverty X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:08:21 -0000 --0000000000009026fc0613a119ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi there Jack I don't know if isps are in general allowed to refuse to send an email or refuse to allow a user to receive an email but I know that if I mail an MP3 using Gmail the chances are that Google meaning alphabet will refuse to transmit it based on If I remember correctly The digital millennium copyright act as currently amended And in general The principal that I shouldn't share a copy of a CD I own even track by track with someone else However I am pretty sure and this is a separate issue That if I use an editor And I've never tried To put two MP3s together to make my own creation Analogous to a well recognized principle that making your own CD mix is fine and you can share copies of that as long as it's not all the tracks from one album or CD and it represents some kind of authorship where you pick and choose music that meets your whatever needs or style or whatever That probably would sell through but I don't have any hard data I have had emails can that means canceled Based solely on violation of digital millennium copyright act And I note here there is no means for an appeal So as far as net neutrality An ISP who is not part of the backbone Might be a good thing to have An email from a secondary provider Might be a good thing to have Your mileage may vary And that's just an opinion there about the backbone and the providers --0000000000009026fc0613a119ba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there Jack

I don't know if isps are in general allowed to refuse to send an emai= l or refuse to allow a user to receive an email but I know that if I mail a= n MP3 using Gmail the chances are that Google meaning alphabet will refuse = to transmit it based on

= If I remember correctly

= The digital millennium copyright act as currently amended

And in general
The principal that I shouldn't share a copy of= a CD I own even track by track with someone else
However

I am pretty sure and this is a separate issue

That if I use an editor

And I've never tried

To put two MP3s together to make my own cr= eation

Analogous to a we= ll recognized principle that making your own CD mix is fine and you can sha= re copies of that as long as it's not all the tracks from one album or = CD and it represents some kind of authorship where you pick and choose musi= c that meets your whatever needs or style or whatever

That probably would sell through but I don= 9;t have any hard data

I= have had emails can that means canceled

<= div dir=3D"auto">Based solely on violation of digital millennium copyright = act

And I note here ther= e is no means for an appeal

So as far as net neutrality

An ISP who is not part of the backbone
Might be a good thing to have

An email from a secondary provider

Might be a good thing to have

Your mileage may vary
=

And that's just an opinio= n there about the backbone and the providers


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