From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <0000-0001-5483-448xxx@replikon.net> Received: from mail-vk1-xa32.google.com (mail-vk1-xa32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DA633B29E for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 08:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-vk1-xa32.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-51eb1818d4fso4631858e0c.1 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 05:41:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=replikon.net; s=google; t=1742215274; x=1742820074; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=v4Jd5aC11b6aQ++67Q2Sn3tZFl2hELJ57+sFP1V6PaI=; b=A9NxyYYjkmlRzgRRLcRSE4XMRkjjjagXfsnhaJFKWrjALs8ucoRiExKPgZHsi+GYbc 6H8HI06+WskRulRqN9piBbtW/aZpUqgak0BcwRMtbNT8ah5NiT2Jm2cKB+oOR4apbf8x RGU77jIc0eFKXzp/3i6cSnaLHXljxzaV7TPxM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1742215274; x=1742820074; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=v4Jd5aC11b6aQ++67Q2Sn3tZFl2hELJ57+sFP1V6PaI=; b=NzhEjsvWLnStyXU1iUHAZq/0RufMFnAEPH+T8Pmmf9joQJYzz+3/joIdjOnCySSQ5w ZSzk42WkmtH79LoQYoDlLaA+C3AdzGqzbenB2PCjL8LD7ulXiBVv6KzMP8bu3W2jKpyv 7NfO9F5qkVsIgsAdFUT5e2qUm0zafM160T8B1kGKw/HIZApDz/vR7+Wu/BDm/MR5/lhe 5koGazvbI64eKzm5XSbf89Ezaaj++OYnHFYzxE57fJIPQyzT1lcB/knetS+ceqt32B0a uBfKYID2qJHs/3JhLYUpuUNDXWUBIatFIpk2Fp0mU+2YoyJ53uqBm3QnCtHGUrzPU3/R mdjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxUEbJVEHd0dTK7rbH+iaXcMIzwNPmzVM1lFn/rODrvEuselMZG Qyy2z6xp0NehHk6V96qA7l5qsJZoYB7ksf8NqOQgFkgcGwl58smELv9CWjtAau9c1pn8S14viS6 xaI48W7YOhxJjwCDN6p36BOZaSjdi7+7Zdu8Bhz3eheY7Y0Df X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncspfCPWzZfC4bn3o3ABqXlbb+TueBIuKFBAh3afc9GVlqjbn6xlbP2nd2J985r 2Ycf8aqkKC8riw5pi2ke5QkEU0Dej2X8E7B19BKJlRiABQ8/7HhsR3jvi/MKPc8TFucDMJHhqjq 5ZeSWkb0mHX4GBFluqBSaF4qi7rqAGA0PEnX+GwNP2TrWzsHLHl/lPi1D/+vOb X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEDcJ4j7JhgNnQ6aqyoatv+fPmV1AoE+X0xOM7kfdu6IyQdz10w0HGhf8qLM9LnTiKfuLl3B0E2VZYapRotqac= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:2222:b0:520:4996:7cf2 with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-52449a0ad67mr6576665e0c.10.1742215273688; Mon, 17 Mar 2025 05:41:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990" Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 08:41:01 -0400 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1JrWBV9UU8szEC6Lc0Tf5pC58McNClU8EyqAgydkWX5DIpjGZKiY_ZrGTSA Message-ID: To: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000082d7300630891a71" Subject: [NNagain] Hurling rocks into Earth's gravity well X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:41:14 -0000 --00000000000082d7300630891a71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello Dr. David. The gravity at the surface of the Moon is larger than might be expected since the volume to radius ratio is as r squared, so that with a difference of 100 times that is a factor of 100x in gravity at surface we can predict that the rocks they'll be throwing at us we'll be falling up that is thrown out of the gravity wall for 1/10 the trip roughly and falling down that is falling into that gravity well for 9/10 of the trip causing an overall Factor of enormous acceleration. Offhand I would say the process would achieve 80% of escape velocity. The Australian science agency has a nice chart out for asteroid type objects on their website. It summarizes the relationship between the many many small rocks which are in our system and the very few large rocks which accompany them as they move at various speeds knowing only statistical information about how many rocks of which size and how fast they're moving and what energy the net result is They quote figures of atta joules. So once given the upward that is towards the Earth impetus a mere Boulder could do really significant damage assuming that the transit time could be controlled carefully in their was either accurate aiming or some type of midcourse correction to get the target secured. Trying to find my way back on topic to Net neutrality. Maybe a moon base could be set up with a transmitter powered by a small nuclear reactor receiving signals from Earth and retransmitting them to make the connections for data and voice. Compared to lofting a satellite having the time to construct such an item on the surface of the Moon would be advantageous the way it seems to me. I'm pretty sure that a satellite would have to be put into place in orbit with its power supply and all that and that's what starling does bloody bloody blah. By the way I'm running for president. / / < GONCZ2028 > / Cheers Doug > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2024, 10:04 AM David Bray, PhD > wrote: > > ... > > > > Meanwhile China probably will land humans on the moon within the next > four > > years of whomever is the next U.S. President. That may happen before the > > U.S. returns to the Moon. Either way, a "base" on the Moon by 2035 (which > > is PRC's goal) even if it's robots - or humans with the risk of loss of > > life) raises some challenges in terms of SIGINT, GEOINT, and the general > > ability to hurl rocks into Earth's gravity well.... > > > > --00000000000082d7300630891a71 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Dr. David.

The gravity at the surface of the Moo= n is larger than might be expected since the volume to radius ratio is as r= squared, so that with a difference of 100 times that is a factor of 100x i= n gravity at surface we can predict that the rocks they'll be throwing = at us we'll be falling up that is thrown out of the gravity wall for 1/= 10 the trip roughly and falling down that is falling into that gravity well= for 9/10 of the trip causing an overall Factor of enormous acceleration. O= ffhand I would say the process would achieve 80% of escape velocity.
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The Australian science agency = has a nice chart out for asteroid type objects on their website. It summari= zes the relationship between the many many small rocks which are in our sys= tem and the very few large rocks which accompany them as they move at vario= us speeds knowing only statistical information about how many rocks of whic= h size and how fast they're moving and what energy the net result is=C2= =A0

They quote figures o= f atta joules. So once given the upward that is towards the Earth impetus a= mere Boulder could do really significant damage assuming that the transit = time could be controlled carefully in their was either accurate aiming or s= ome type of midcourse correction to get the target secured.

Trying to find my way back on topic t= o Net neutrality. Maybe a moon base could be set up with a transmitter powe= red by a small nuclear reactor receiving signals from Earth and retransmitt= ing them to make the connections for data and voice. Compared to lofting a = satellite having the time to construct such an item on the surface of the M= oon would be advantageous the way it seems to me. I'm pretty sure that = a satellite would have to be put into place in orbit with its power supply = and all that and that's what starling does bloody bloody blah.

By the way I'm running for p= resident.=C2=A0
/ / < GONCZ2028 > /


Cheers=
Doug





On Mon, Oct 7, 2024, 10:04 AM David Bray, PhD <david.a.br= ay@gmail.com>
wrote:

...
>
> Meanwhile China probably will land humans on the moon within the next = four
> years of whomever is the next U.S. President. That may happen before t= he
> U.S. returns to the Moon. Either way, a "base" on the Moon b= y 2035 (which
> is PRC's goal) even if it's robots - or humans with the risk o= f loss of
> life) raises some challenges in terms of SIGINT, GEOINT, and the gener= al
> ability to hurl rocks into Earth's gravity well....
>


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