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I can see this initiative helping a situation like ours. As a non-transit peer to our ISPs, we certainly do not qualify as an IXP in the traditional sense. But we do have a potential impact on our peers as well as a possible impact on the community at large, thus some education would be beneficial (education almost always is not *not* beneficial...). We do have an opportunity as an anchor institution to become a non-traditional IXP by fronting Internet service to downstream partners via a unique model used by our non-traditional ISP. So, my point is if any initiative strives to provide education, I am in support of it. Especially, it has my support if it helps to build out Internet access for both partner institutions looking to bolster their access, as well as potentially allowing for underprivileged community members to gain access via unique connectivity infrastructures. HaPpY NeW YeaR! michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools michael.brooks@adams12.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss" On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:09=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > this is the kind of initiative I can get behind. > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/posts/internet-socie= ty-foundation_the-sustainable-peering-infrastructure-activity-7153019625645= 977601-dYUX__;!!IR39LLzvxw!MFcZccyBF5_4C8vqmJSBT7-FQzLzBd_JQ1vqg2_19byFHrH4= fNoOnt1-K1GOXGjf8pVMdFAY4t85nMUvfBzcplkuBMZchpq2$ > > > -- > 40 years of net history, a couple songs: > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E= __;!!IR39LLzvxw!MFcZccyBF5_4C8vqmJSBT7-FQzLzBd_JQ1vqg2_19byFHrH4fNoOnt1-K1G= OXGjf8pVMdFAY4t85nMUvfBzcplkuBBHlQL8f$ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagai= n__;!!IR39LLzvxw!MFcZccyBF5_4C8vqmJSBT7-FQzLzBd_JQ1vqg2_19byFHrH4fNoOnt1-K1= GOXGjf8pVMdFAY4t85nMUvfBzcplkuBJ1TE8kZ$ > --=20 This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools.=C2=A0 = This=20 email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended=20 solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.= =20 If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. --00000000000058ad8c060f25f5ab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Caveat: pure ignorance in the process of being mitigated at work in = the comments below.

I can see this = initiative helping a situation like ours. As a non-transit peer to our ISPs= , we certainly do not qualify as an IXP in the traditional sense. But we do= have a potential impact on our peers as well as a possible impact on the c= ommunity at large, thus some education would be beneficial (education almos= t always is not not beneficial...). We do have an opportunity as an = anchor institution to become a non-traditional IXP by fronting Internet ser= vice to downstream partners via a unique model used by our non-traditional = ISP. So, my point is if any initiative strives to provide education, I am i= n support of it. Especially, it has my support if it helps to build out Int= ernet access for both partner institutions looking to bolster their access,= as well as potentially allowing for underprivileged community members to g= ain access via unique connectivity infrastructures.


= HaPpY NeW Ye= aR!


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On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 8:09=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net= > wrote:
= this is the kind of initiative I can get behind.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/= posts/internet-society-foundation_the-sustainable-peering-infrastructure-ac= tivity-7153019625645977601-dYUX__;!!IR39LLzvxw!MFcZccyBF5_4C8vqmJSBT7-FQzLz= Bd_JQ1vqg2_19byFHrH4fNoOnt1-K1GOXGjf8pVMdFAY4t85nMUvfBzcplkuBMZchpq2$ <= br>

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