From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from secmail.pch.net (secmail.pch.net [206.220.231.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A10E73B29D for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 11:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from secmail.pch.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by secmail.pch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TDvWX6ksCz4yd8R for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:25:44 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: secmail.pch.net (amavisd-new); dkim=pass reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=pch.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pch.net; h= x-mailer:to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; s= secmail_dkim; t=1705422344; x=1708014345; bh=fLpfYNhOZkrgdRSdxBN jr/1g38HD7Y1H33V3O5GFV4o=; b=gPejHtc0nNOp+aMK5ADfnRxpJOQdA8QjYIt MKehL2/F4ntkEfLNLVekqzO+YU6aHceDrmtFCzpySyfSric6/aa1Z0jCpFGRtOER U+7gKA7+tQkFMz4YUc+T/PO8KhCNQGiW4tS83F7WmvfyALcUyiEq6VLGai2MBaek xyD5SJfmnM8UPS0dASk6b7OpwYx4hd7tbUI6DVBUd5Y5S1DMJ/F0bOWWo3xAH5BT ujdayKSgBOnKcsGQlk1PsmZw+fEy/rCkFgmyIQfjdQ3Xt/q7ISvDxA1d5Zhx3YlM rvhnrgMQI8WY2H8T/gItOL5Kd6bKy7dwp/e0ZTe7Je7bjOM9Tiw== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at secmail.pch.net Received: from secmail.pch.net ([127.0.0.1]) by secmail.pch.net (secmail.pch.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id mqrxNQ22BI2S for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [66.185.123.190]) by secmail.pch.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TDvWW6hlsz4yd8P; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:25:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.400.11\)) From: Bill Woodcock In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 17:25:41 +0100 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?utf-8?Q?pects_heard_this_time!?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1E7D331C-CA41-4FC5-BE8F-E98409154321@pch.net> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.400.11) Subject: Re: [NNagain] ISOC's IXP program X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 16:25:45 -0000 > On Jan 16, 2024, at 17:18, Dave Taht wrote: > I do not know any more about this program than from the link Well, paying PR firms to write web content is one way to spend = $100M/year. > =E2=80=9CFunds are available for training, community/regional = development, and > equipment purchases such as switches, optic modules, servers, and > routers.=E2=80=9D Having been doing this for thirty years, I can assure you that nobody = who=E2=80=99s trying to build an IXP needs 0.005% of ISOC=E2=80=99s = budget. They need information and experience. > I would love to see efforts to make the need for IXPs more = understandable. Yep, definitely. But that=E2=80=99s not what=E2=80=99s being floated = here. > This is support for the traditional IXP model, which does not include > middle mile/backhaul to another IXP hub. What would that accomplish? > It does, however, have a carveout for IP transit to attract CDNs Yep, Google will always take your money. Not sure what that would = accomplish, though, other than to encourage Google to be more evil more = of the time. Doesn=E2=80=99t have anything to do with IXPs. > Doesn't have a carve-out for software development. I think it really = sad that so many seem to think that happens magically, and for free, = nowadays. Yep. -Bill