From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from secmail.pch.net (secmail.pch.net [206.220.231.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F87C3B29D for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 01:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from secmail.pch.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by secmail.pch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TjCrF5vFPz4xJMw for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:04:29 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: secmail.pch.net (amavisd-new); dkim=pass reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=pch.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pch.net; h= x-mailer:to:references:message-id:date:in-reply-to:from:subject :mime-version:content-type; s=secmail_dkim; t=1708841069; x= 1711433070; bh=57R3q7RyODJn0MJcbCgfJicZiIbUGZMsKZgZ8Uo4bAU=; b=O 0SqDAzeAi4Imq8x5g1mLmDVbXBc0+uFDIZTb7o/SU9OHi+D+1rfpgNK0PxssXRC4 wPKi3zPJBr1m4L36ll1ABeN71GfCLbiPyab/fBxjhDi8QSOWZ+KDejqbGHjZe+qo gibW9i8ir6LIlPEMckS7HQZUEy1kCzZMb80btMb/Ih3+UZNZEF5mLCnnCdyHjDam 5on+t2SCBIsLn0MjR4Bs4ZKv6uyFRafw/9nrkQjFqOzshsdMhZ7/vC2jwG3qOG76 jcRU+GZkElgASs4yCGYSDzm88SrUDO341Yl3MKop+sz8eNVNRw5wqIV/ak58umbY NCeipaQou9+mSwGVhywUA== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at secmail.pch.net Received: from secmail.pch.net ([127.0.0.1]) by secmail.pch.net (secmail.pch.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id dcz9k33sq8VX for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (itv-02 [69.166.14.6]) by secmail.pch.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TjCrD4Sjdz4xVTf; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:04:28 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A63321C9-C6EA-456B-A17F-609A481E91D9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.500.171.1.1\)) From: Bill Woodcock In-Reply-To: <730e404c-f7ef-4845-a634-71fb0505e3c8@rjmcmahon.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 07:04:26 +0100 Message-Id: References: <2FE6AC99-172D-4948-8277-AD4316054E3D@gmail.com> <730e404c-f7ef-4845-a634-71fb0505e3c8@rjmcmahon.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?utf-8?Q?pects_heard_this_time!?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.500.171.1.1) Subject: Re: [NNagain] The Whys of the Wichita IXP Project X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 06:04:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A63321C9-C6EA-456B-A17F-609A481E91D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Feb 24, 2024, at 20:30, Robert McMahon via Nnagain = wrote: >> On Feb 24, 2024, at 4:05 AM, Fearghas Mckay = wrote:=20 >>> On 22 Feb 2024, at 18:58, rjmcmahon via Nnagain = wrote:=20 >>> Boston University spent $305M on this and it doesn't have an IXP. >> There are two well established distinct IX in the metro already - why = would you need a third that is not at an interconnection site ? =20 > For education and modeling. Students used to run on campus radio = stations as an example. A modern world requires understanding things = like IXPs.=20 That=E2=80=99s a good point. When we do IXP formation workshops, if = there are very many ASes which haven=E2=80=99t peered before, we do get = the whole thing up and running on a meeting-room table in a classroom = sort of situation, before trying to do it in production. And we=E2=80=99v= e done joint projects between IXPs and departments of education. So = this is a very good reason for a university to host a small-scale or lab = IXP. But it=E2=80=99s also a good reason to forge a relationship with = nearby production IXPs, such that student projects can get access to = no-cost local bandwidth, etc. Students getting access to distance-insensitive bandwidth at = universities causes a lot of startups to crash-and-burn when they start = to scale up and find out that the Internet isn=E2=80=99t flat, it just = looks that way when you=E2=80=99re buying small amounts at retail. -Bill --Apple-Mail=_A63321C9-C6EA-456B-A17F-609A481E91D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEm6XJ0FdpKWJHso4lb6RwSyiLf4cFAmXa2GoACgkQb6RwSyiL f4euGA/+IaySxbAuyHj7wFpHkvgh0Rnm+kWybHVcObQs6wpgaU9YtqbG4E/pewT1 kzRK6EXUkHLQV/Ir79QQ5zr1P9c25aBQ6AIAc014DpdE+CmE7kInUmW68e9wdfQ7 nBIqA7m+J0i00okXruB+gk0AeAOLtJ5lZEezouOToZJq5TYKmFB/128kvlyVabDS gSnWoTRR1wHWSQtvfZb5VyGqrNXG21tsuiEbK5LvSNveSYhMRNDVqeF1z7F+bOGO fs2FhwqOLuOAT+Un9XfY44LhR6YfWeZQJEZimcEeuHEm3zEezp93q+TQcNM9ghuP n/D5fKEhxcikDoA7NC1BN0WV04jLVJedkVX8oqeg41ychEWvelG5wi3g1Bul6nO1 e/zzApBbTSINPbIX+sthkNOfAr27g4sB4CnSVbnLCHmPy0EFo1yzcirCH8JY9cA0 Dpr9+/wXpJUarPvjxB3b4RfeW2fOOcaaewhivJV6jjPvsWMGHzLaEehSwdIofOvG o3ginO1Ua8xybHN9dGBxmJU8K795WjbJlU3ofVgIw8PRSjafZvMTObSLvWa9qPOM pRcrrXiAlBQ3FP+yOOOsUmchV6740wsy5Db49C+PwFDJ0jojd1f+iMPdRSD9CoUE WObqGnbagjH0ESDv8lcYuWfRfb6hVDsFklCWqqz7iz3q27QX1S0= =bbbq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A63321C9-C6EA-456B-A17F-609A481E91D9--