From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout02.eigbox.net (bosmailout02.eigbox.net [66.96.184.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB7ED3B2A4 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2024 13:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from bosmailscan09.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.9]) by bosmailout02.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rY97T-00015i-CJ for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:27:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0xnV4CwLRa3ivQXCm5MAZncB1dh9jKVU7kTtbnthKBg=; b=g/iUY/FukmeDNzIiZOWdPZbjgR VACgn2sjeU6CuJW+/XpzV7w1XvC+w1ad56TqYVRic5qHK5Y7Ig+MVFpzA+fpamSBsZilhS31knRXv Sg6rGAqWQnebsVeiZimDrrSi01bVlo+pPtWgmIjKA+97lUJtAceERznSam8bTbj928QRfE//rZNOI HwNblyePa80JjBKqoyO4VnIMO/0BCQ1N0FNhzhSCp6G4mK36huOR/wjg+82XvJIJ2tNl1m+YopXt4 5NSbLjkcjOaxYyfrb9sfc1QEKwpr4qBvaaiIDJIL//y9e+YVVniWLlexmxcOZZ+J45JVsoDKo6oSv 0IFx1ePQ==; Received: from [10.115.3.32] (helo=bosimpout12) by bosmailscan09.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rY97T-0006hA-3C for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:27:31 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp17.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.17]) by bosimpout12 with id kiSv2B00H0N5uqq01iSyq9; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:27:20 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=dOg9ZNRb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=f4kFLigMKr8AH7rIJ//qJA==:117 a=tKttg/DTfI8zZz0UFxdR5w==:17 a=k7vzHIieQBIA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=usUTcz4nAAAA:8 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=QOUOMCz4AAAA:8 a=ZJjxc0SMAAAA:8 a=jU4qhlNgAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=26PoIz6DrNu52fVzDH8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=y13_vu2FjGBcaaT_OQAA:9 a=2e8d3q5BuPqy2e25:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=qU3GhxtCdLMA:10 a=L7FUvAE5JUcA:10 a=MqnEBYhnR1GEXjMu-uAJ:22 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 a=_uwhyy-cTs3PKpKTLvtj:22 Received: from c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.158.253.41]:64471 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp17.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1rY96t-0004V2-8W; Thu, 08 Feb 2024 13:26:55 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: "'Robert McMahon'" , "'Dick Roy via Nnagain'" References: <87AB28F22AA94326B30BCBF6A2BD2EDD@SRA6> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2024 10:26:51 -0800 Organization: SRA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D0_01DA5A79.56C08090" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Adpas+UXpwE4nKkgQQaLVm0AH981aQAB1ElQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.158.253.41 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Subject: Re: [NNagain] tech feudalism X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2024 18:27:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01DA5A79.56C08090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _____ From: Robert McMahon [mailto:rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com] Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 9:25 AM To: Dick Roy via Nnagain Cc: Dick Roy; Frantisek Borsik Subject: Re: [NNagain] tech feudalism It's about humans being present for others including kids. Taking away screens doesn't fix the issue. Providing safe environments where people can interact, make mistakes, be curious, etc. This is the goal by my book. [RR] Here, here!!! Couldn't agree more! Humans need help growing up . it's HARD work! Without a role model to help, things generally do NOT go well. I led a BSA Troop for 15 years. 41 Eagles, 300+ First Class Scouts were taught independence, servant leadership, and community service both by example and practice. Nothing compares to Adults being present and engaged. [RR] I would add caring to the list. Children absolutely KNOW when an adult really cares and you can NOT replace that feeling/knowing with anything else! Whether they know it or not, the one thing that all your Boy Scouts (good on you!) will remember as they get older is that YOU CARED! When asked what they remember about the experience, they will not respond first with how well you taught them to "tie knots":-):-):-) "Education is not the filling of a pail; but it's the lighting of a fire!" W.B. Yeats Wealthy and healthy have the advantage for sure. [RR] Healthy . absolutely yes! Wealthy . not so sure. RR Bob On Feb 8, 2024, at 4:02 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain wrote: It's rather easy and it's contra-intuitive for most of the people: https://archive.ph/2023.02.07-163757/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/26/styl e/digital-divide-screens-schools.html ""The digital divide was about access to technology, and now that everyone has access, the new digital divide is limiting access to technology." All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com _____ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain ------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01DA5A79.56C08090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

From: = Robert McMahon [mailto:rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com]
Sent: Thursday, February = 8, 2024 9:25 AM
To: Dick Roy via = Nnagain
Cc: Dick Roy; Frantisek = Borsik
Subject: Re: [NNagain] = tech feudalism

 

It's about = humans being present for others including kids. Taking away screens doesn't fix the = issue. Providing safe environments where people can interact, make mistakes, be curious, etc.     This is the goal by my = book.

[RR] Here, here!!! Couldn’t = agree more! Humans need help growing up … it’s HARD work!  Without a role = model to help, things generally do NOT go well.

I led a BSA Troop for 15 years. 41 Eagles, 300+ First Class = Scouts were taught independence, servant leadership, and community service both by = example and practice. Nothing compares to Adults being present and = engaged.

[RR] I would add caring to the list.  Children = absolutely KNOW when an adult really cares and you can NOT replace that = feeling/knowing with anything else!  Whether they know it or not, the one thing = that all your Boy Scouts (good on you!) will remember as they get older is that YOU = CARED!  When asked what they remember about the experience, they will not respond = first with how well you taught them to “tie = knots”JJJ “Education is not = the filling of a pail; but it’s the lighting of a fire!”  W.B. = Yeats

 

Wealthy and = healthy have the advantage for sure.

[RR] Healthy … absolutely = yes!  Wealthy … not so sure.

RR  

Bob

On Feb 8, 2024, at 4:02 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

It's rather easy and it's contra-intuitive for most of the = people:

 

 

"“The digital divide was about access to technology, and now that everyone has access, the new digital divide is limiting access to = technology.”

 

All the best,

 

Frank

Frantisek (Frank) Borsik

 

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