From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout09.eigbox.net (bosmailout09.eigbox.net [66.96.189.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C2CB3CB37 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 15:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from bosmailscan08.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.8]) by bosmailout09.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rHV9c-0003Xo-34 for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 15:32:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5w6Slwx1xxxikHrzxfSwypFofHrC8qfs1HtFtv/FxOI=; b=2W4RYeopDEtNE0PSfDePi252Jl oxZnJtrr+vAzwP9hdDh6V+KNWnxbWwZXRva6RYSHTs5S5AZDcSC6SSro3lIFi+U1DPQc+uD9/K6tV kAMNgLGVFKCZx6nUGb14CyaU600NFPyyuDWBDv2ng4fJ6RYzr26VMbrVxHfU6YaE70YajQCwZuAj5 yaXwsPsLG2Q1KhMfzd5n3VLSG7JZ8pgydzwj0ZEYmADdT+CUBIeQa4n/UCvyNV8Sfb1Xnss9bK28m jz8jzcS8hIRyyMGBQYfCIzPq8ztS93D6ugnPy/TaZWkN2ScBIwWbRMi/TShv24GdcXFw54hdQUCAi 1FcJay6A==; Received: from [10.115.3.33] (helo=bosimpout13) by bosmailscan08.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rHV9b-000170-RP for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 15:32:55 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.3]) by bosimpout13 with id SLYs2B00303yW7601LYvUF; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 15:32:55 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Q6tJH7+a c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=6uKCkKhFq2wXOH2GoQX8aA==:117 a=tKttg/DTfI8zZz0UFxdR5w==:17 a=e2cXIFwxEfEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=9sSjY8p1AAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=M9EYGZGqtVD0ma8bZCsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=RS-yxvRxsU8wcfeX4vEA:9 a=R5YDVdw3wXTnZuwr:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 a=ub54wNWiXv_DzeFsgEJW:22 Received: from c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.158.253.41]:54238 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp03.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1rHV9Y-00020Y-8h; Sun, 24 Dec 2023 15:32:52 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?pects_heard_this_time!'?= References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 12:32:47 -0800 Organization: SRA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C2_01DA3665.507654E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ado2cl547J2q3CPuTuqe4MdIr4uxpwANVujA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.158.253.41 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Subject: Re: [NNagain] science and reading scores peaked in 2009 and 2012 X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:32:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C2_01DA3665.507654E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I share the same concern about lack of personal communication, = especially given that less than 30% of the =93what=94 that is communicated between = people is contained in the words exchanged =85 more than 70% is found in the = rest including facial expression, tone of voice, hand gestures, etc..=20 =20 Oh well =85 so now I am stuck with just using words, so you will only be getting 30% or less of my intention :-(:-( Be that as it may, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all! May the new year bring peace, = joy, and good health to all! =20 Cheers, =20 RR =20 -----Original Message----- From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of Dave Taht via Nnagain Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 6:06 AM To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=B4s make the technical aspects heard = this time! Cc: Dave Taht Subject: [NNagain] science and reading scores peaked in 2009 and 2012 =20 Not that slashdot is a particularly good source, but I do read the atlantic... =20 https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/12/23/0544206/are-phones-making-the-wo= rld s-students-dumber =20 In my case I was just on two American planes where absolutely everyone was on their phone, tablet, or laptop. In one walk to the bathroom at the back of the plane, in the middle of the afternoon, there were three conversations going on, about 5% people working, the rest all watching a different show (not a single shared experience). I sat next to someone from an VR company that did project management there who spent the entire trip texting (with TWO phones) over the viasat service ($15/hr) to dozens and dozens of people. Max time off the phone was no more than 15 seconds, long enough to open a cracker. She seemed to never have an internet issue (though with all the multitasking perhaps the latencies were hidden). I finally got a word in edgewise on landing... I had great hope she knew what a packet was, but she didn=B4t. She grokked "latency", had not heard of bufferbloat. =20 The new movie Maestro is really excellent, btw. I watched some of it from between the seats ahead of me, with my head otherwise down trying to block out all the internet access around me. =20 While I worry all the more about all we have done to humanity=B4s ability to communicate physically and with strangers I wish y'all a merry christmas and a happy new year, with your families! =20 =20 =20 --=20 40 years of net history, a couple songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E Dave T=E4ht CSO, LibreQos _______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain ------=_NextPart_000_02C2_01DA3665.507654E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I share the same concern about lack of personal communication, especially given that less than 30% of the “what” that is = communicated between people is contained in the words exchanged … more than 70% is = found in the rest including facial expression, tone of voice, hand gestures, etc.. =

 

Oh well … so now I am stuck with just using words, so you = will only be getting 30% or less of my intention LL Be that as it may, = Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all! =A0May the new year bring = peace, joy, and good health to all!

 

Cheers,

 

RR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of Dave Taht via Nnagain
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 6:06 AM
To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=B4s make = the technical aspects heard this time!
Cc: Dave Taht
Subject: [NNagain] science and reading scores peaked in 2009 and = 2012

 

Not that slashdot is a particularly good source, but I do read = the atlantic...

 

https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/12/23/0544206/are-phones-makin= g-the-worlds-students-dumber

 

In my case I was just on two American planes where absolutely = everyone

was on their phone, tablet, or laptop. In one walk to the = bathroom at

the back of the plane, in the middle of the afternoon, there = were

three conversations going on, about 5% people working, the rest = all

watching a different show (not a single shared experience). I = sat next

to someone from an VR company that did project management there = who

spent the entire trip texting (with TWO phones) over the = viasat

service ($15/hr) to dozens and dozens of people. Max time off = the

phone was no more than 15 seconds, long enough to open a = cracker. She

seemed to never have an internet issue (though with all = the

multitasking perhaps the latencies were hidden). I finally got a = word

in edgewise on landing... I had great hope she knew what a = packet was,

but she didn=B4t. She grokked "latency", had not heard = of bufferbloat.

 

The new movie Maestro is really excellent, btw. I watched some = of it

from between the seats ahead of me, with my head otherwise down = trying

to block out all the internet access around = me.

 

While I worry all the more about all we have done to = humanity=B4s

ability to communicate physically and with strangers I wish = y'all a

merry christmas and a happy new year, with your = families!

 

 

 

--

40 years of net history, a couple = songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E

Dave T=E4ht CSO, LibreQos

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