From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout07.eigbox.net (bosmailout07.eigbox.net [66.96.185.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBE13B29D for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2023 19:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from bosmailscan01.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.1]) by bosmailout07.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1r0tMz-0007Rl-Od for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 19:58:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:To:From:Reply-To: Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=7lk7vQtaavYg9b+zQ8dwz/I/NDhYKk5tsKszjy49cT4=; b=h8We0KAZ3HQxl60knHzXOQMNTk V5HgY+VaMJdUNJtOOkK97YNX4AQ79CwP64lan2+DbSgptM0P3uH2dDoPIiPlpRFXTywC+imM+8tFu 9v25R5RwSJOBYKKXAoAjnCkYAI7nj8PDvsEgi/9rRVA8QwanDz7kwHKyR0hkz6uWwPC0ZbYP9BcRd X42iUfIu+oHQ9HN0mkQMNDnlMvJPlAFoncVquRSO3jBbQ00NX7jMjcKPGs6cng0+CN0B1zY7H2La/ C0n7Xc57tEH39iDqS6LHAnALOtBanTmNaW4lREfDbTqkPJH/IlHsKnBkXDZoiIO/hayyAq4LpIlCS Hn9ta3cg==; Received: from [10.115.3.33] (helo=bosimpout13) by bosmailscan01.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1r0tMz-0001SM-Gn for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 19:58:05 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.13]) by bosimpout13 with id 80y22B0070GvDVm010y5in; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 19:58:05 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Q6tJH7+a c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UH8/iCWBfdUmbm4Ft4Vi3Q==:117 a=tKttg/DTfI8zZz0UFxdR5w==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=BNY50KLci1gA:10 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=jU4qhlNgAAAA:8 a=n4ZJIn57AAAA:8 a=KuFzsm8R7XZv4mwbgnYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 a=cptdHya-68s0_OJVBoNk:22 Received: from c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.158.253.41]:52439 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp13.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1r0tMv-0003rt-Vj for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 19:58:02 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: =?UTF-8?Q?'Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let?= =?UTF-8?Q?=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_he?= =?UTF-8?Q?ard_this_time!'?= References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 16:58:00 -0800 Organization: SRA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdoSlZT+Qi/QYZrwSuu3u1HcHha3fgAEdQYg x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.158.253.41 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Subject: Re: [NNagain] cybersecurity is not a talent problem X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2023 00:58:06 -0000 Yes, today one can argue that there is a shortage of talent, however = Paul's point was that that I s not the first problem to solve, in fact = the problem that must be solved first is: " We're in a hole, here, folks. The first thing we should do is: stop = digging.=E2=80=9D ... and he is right IMHO! RR -----Original Message----- From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of Lee via Nnagain Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 2:47 PM To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=C2=B4s make the technical aspects = heard this time! Cc: Lee Subject: Re: [NNagain] cybersecurity is not a talent problem On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 2:22=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: > > Paul Vixie reposted this old piece of his, even more relevant today, = than 2015. > > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/lack-talent-problem-cyber-paul-vixie/ I disagree. With a lot, but let's just go with this > The "cyber" security problems that the US Government, and every other = government, and every large and medium enterprise are all coping with = today do not stem from lack of "cyber" talent. Take a look at = https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/The-OPM-Data-Breac= h-How-the-Government-Jeopardized-Our-National-Security-for-More-than-a-Ge= neration.pdf on page 9: The bottom line. The longstanding failure of OPM's leadership to implement basic cyber hugiene, such as maintaining current authorities to operate and employing strong multi-factor authentication, despite years of warnings from the Inspector General, represents a failure of culture and leadershit, not technology. There is no substitute for talent. Regards, Lee _______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain