Re: [NNagain] The non-death of DSL

[Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>]

Hi Dave,

On 8 October 2023 02:07:50 CEST, Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>I had found henning shulzerine's projections as to the death of POTs

[SM] One argument was that POTs switches were getting hard to come by, but I find this hard to believe that generally stated, hard to come by at prices competitive with IP gear might be closer to reality, and clearly the more ISPs switched to VoIP the smaller the market for POTs gear and hence the incentive to develop new generations of switches...


>very compelling when he presented at ietf 86 back in 2013. I cannot
>find the video, but there are all sorts of great charts and data here
>worth reflecting about and updating.
>
>https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1TG0f18_ySAb4rJtC2SGeYPoY2oMdh0NS/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=107942175615993706558&rtpof=true&sd=true
>
>Unfortunately he presently has a gig with the NTIA and probably cannot
>participate here in the current contexts (although I like to think all
>that we will end up discussing will impact multiple agencies, NIST,
>and FEMA, for example)
>
>Still looking for better DSL data....

[SM] I found a site claiming ~80% coverage with DSL in the US but no information about actually usage or distribution into capacity tiers or technologies. Making that reference not even worth posting....


>
>On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 2:22 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a lot to unpack from this:
>>
>> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-397257A1.pdf
>>
>> the first two on my mind from 2005 are: "FCC adopted its first open
>> internet policy" and "Competitiveness"  As best as I recall, (and
>> please correct me), this led essentially to the departure of all the
>> 3rd party DSL providers from the field. I had found something
>> referencing this interpretation that I cannot find right now, but I do
>> clearly remember all the DSL services you could buy from in the early
>> 00s, and how few you can  buy from now. Obviously there are many other
>> possible root causes.
>>
>> DSL continued to get better and evolve, but it definately suffers from
>> many reports of degraded copper quality, but does an estimate exist
>> for how much working DSL is left?
>>
>> Q0) How much DSL is in the EU?
>> Q1) How much DSL is left in the USA?
>> Q2) What form is it? (VDSL, etc?)
>>
>> Did competition in DSL vanish because of or not of an FCC related order?
>>
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>> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
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