[NNagain] Re: Net Neutrality - a battle in Europe: Deutsche Telekom case shines light on 'two-speed' internet

["Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>]

This is not a new case - IIRC it is the continuing “fair share” debate in the EU. I have not closely tracked the particulars but outside of the EU it is commonplace for there to be settlement free interconnection when traffic is balanced and paid interconnect when there is a significant imbalance. That is of course different from paid prioritization, which is the NN issue, where a particular network would be granted above best effort priority for a fee.

JL

From: Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Date: Friday, November 7, 2025 at 06:12
To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Cc: Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>, Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
Subject: [NNagain] Re: Net Neutrality - a battle in Europe: Deutsche Telekom case shines light on 'two-speed' internet

Looks to me, Vint, that this is different. It's not me as a customer paying
for a wider, faster pipe in the last-mile.

DT is asking content providers, like Netflix, to pay for their content to
be delivered in the "fast" lane.

All the best,

Frank

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On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 12:00 PM Vint Cerf via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Frantisek,
> how is a "fast lane" different from paying more for higher bandwidth? The
> latter is pretty common and even understandable. In the US, neutrality
> meant everyone has the same access rules which includes being able to pay
> more for higher speed. The users got to determine what speed they wanted,
> not the provider. Nor could the provider (ISP) choose arbitrarily which
> services the user would get at what speed. The application providers,
> similarly, get to choose what speed and cost they can provide service. In
> all cases, the ISP does not get to dictate the speeds they offer to users
> and application providers. The rule works more or less like common
> carriage. You pay for what you get, the carrier has to offer all services
> to all parties on the same terms.
>
> v
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2025 at 5:13 AM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> > DT is at it again:
> >
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://euobserver.com/digital/ar5da666d9__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!GArMbsgI-bEZgkcaf2FGCXqYwZ7EjEFvafm_AbLNxPKLVAlZn_ULqskiAZqwk94SCJW0Atuc0Cs5SaNn8RnU6UhugM_HsLeR$
> >
> > "Earlier this year, Austrian and German NGOs filed a complaint with the
> > German Federal Network Agency against Deutsche Telekom, alleging that the
> > internet service provider (ISP) is creating paid fast lanes to access
> > websites.
> >
> > On Wednesday (5 November), the groups held a talk to outline their
> > complaint and why it's important for Europe's net neutrality.
> >
> > The NGOs consists of Epicenter.works, the Society for Civil Rights, the
> > Federation of German Consumer Organisations, plus Stanford professor
> > Barbara van Schewick, arguing that Deutsche Telekom is creating a
> > two-tiered internet through having web hosts pay extra for Telekom’s
> > users."
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
> >
> >
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