From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from gatekeeper2-relay.space.net (gatekeeper2-relay.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:2:85::168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E6B43CB39 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 08:24:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=space.net; i=@space.net; q=dns/txt; s=esa; t=1702646655; x=1734182655; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=zPj0U0WQSt09/oC8cNKAPuPjWsI/ceaSptrhCWZy1/4=; b=im+QCpCIgD6CokeKZykRq6ekwSYeVHnwNLcxRsp9/CCyE8oaF0ZNW63Y 5sQEV8DEd7j36s8TwBcERSPyDv8NFcaPkNPoB2cgsEa2oUd2ScExeNpt8 u5VTeb7krY4462RVOH6tCAqnOK3YG3aO7trv/yXA9yw7AmhpX4oFI3zI2 12OE8xf+tLJX99F2nsS6jpRX6fDnkQG1QiNoAw6ypVBS7Lew5BRWomLvq 8hj1pNJvFom4/wAlaYCH/01H5qvMnnmYrgOf9CjLuueJC2fDyt3HZh78a 1xS+LapAkLNmxWH9OuXhPNsTJ49Be0cNUUiN1sIds2aviBQQIKKHVzLKs g==; X-CSE-ConnectionGUID: 3b7atnlBSPieRSQdDDtJsw== X-CSE-MsgGUID: KhW1w0kQRMaF4WdFBummgA== X-SpaceNet-SBRS: None Received: from mobil.space.net ([195.30.115.67]) by gatekeeper2-relay.space.net with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 15 Dec 2023 14:24:13 +0100 Received: from mobil.space.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF21242704 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:12 +0100 (CET) X-SpaceNet-Relay: true Received: from moebius4.space.net (moebius4.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:2:2::251]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3B1420F9; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by moebius4.space.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id A65C7B276; Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:24:12 +0100 From: Gert Doering To: Frantisek Borsik Cc: Alexandre Petrescu , starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net, Network Neutrality is back! =?iso-8859-1?Q?Let=B4?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?s?= make the technical aspects heard this time! Message-ID: References: <55037f9a-bc2c-4bbb-a4bb-47ad30f16190@rjmcmahon.com> <02cc2879-ef99-4388-bc1e-335a4aaff6aa@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 18:12:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:24:14 -0000 Hi, On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 01:46:06PM +0100, Frantisek Borsik via Starlink wrote: > The same is true for missing/loosing support for FWA in the grand/funding > schemes: all the arguments thrown around by fiber cheerleaders are based > on bandwidth (at best) or "speed" (in most cases) or some theorethical > future-proofness (I mean, we don't know what will happen in next hour, > little less we know what will happen in next 10 years). One important argument comparing fiber to DSL is power usage per port. (I have no numbers for fiber vs. wireless ISP so I can't comment on that) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279