From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B72D3CB37 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2023 09:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id C09F0AF; Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:58:19 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1697032699; bh=4pyb6goqDfW6vgTrm85TelDbnMI8vDUfYYfs4GqPZgc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=J3h81I4UZia84IHoQZRJsncsaoQkUDSdXHesRsktVtzQ/lMDmjN3ZB/qcpaB0cEvY TqtYE2vPqXTrYYoD6zz2FSjrIo1Yy5TEpU2FIXAqoRmRJip4YXZX254j7EK9Q21JTm ycQWiY1TWOYchLf7Oqgisogt4Lmkmi66KtWSTnTE= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDC69F; Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:58:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 15:58:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Dave Taht via Nnagain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [NNagain] The non-death of DSL X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 13:58:22 -0000 On Sat, 7 Oct 2023, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: > Q0) How much DSL is in the EU? I can add a datapoint here from Sweden. Telia which is the incument started shutting down the copper network 5+ years ago, and have announced that it'll be completely gone by 2026. Alternatives are fiber and/or wireless services. Other countries have incumbents with other strategies, and there's plenty talk about much higher speed DSL and keep the last-few-hundred-meters copper cables for residential access. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se