From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BBB43CB40 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 15:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2A87B1B280; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 12:28:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com 2A87B1B280 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1698607725; bh=hHZJmhOXqtbmWbswY6Mw7NrnCvobzMs9k2cp37Ta7O8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=UnV5TEjZevV3mW4iwVDHUqPsa2ysgzgdK1uA8fCDc3P/0QjrpBCeBAU53i/hoT8dy FKSNiCZyuGULNz4Yscc9iHcv5pX5ptWTokBnCd+21K7JtY9KlsAoetawiARg+b2tMp x5QUQEuqMeleJulAds3L9mqmqhuK7JPVZ3QjiXLs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 12:28:45 -0700 From: rjmcmahon To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_a?= =?UTF-8?Q?spects_heard_this_time!?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [NNagain] 2015 flashback X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 19:28:46 -0000 My thoughts are those that want to innovate in network devices should do the innovative work and sell their innovations to the market, then find out if the market wants those innovations by asking for payments. I find if people are unwilling to pay for something it many times means that that something isn't seen as desired. Market signals are a way in a capitalistic system to allocate resources including human resources. Asking government to step in and expropriate decades of intellectual property development or the outside plants via "type II regulation" is typically not effective and likely not even legal. Few want to do the work and have their work taken away by the State. Systems that allow this will cause investment into these activities to cease, and more importantly, it is a form of State coercion parading itself as "doing good." Nobody wants to go back to the days of Ma Bell and State controlled communications. There are existence proofs of many new Wifi & AP companies since 2015. One may look there to see how these groups were able to innovate so their products had monetary value and how device mfg became partners. Bob > We had many notables have key and prophetic things to say about the > internet's problems and future... back in 2015, > when we were fighting to keep home routers open enough to fix them. > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HT2NjsHR1bGQM0PeawYuF60B_m3Hisa3_Q1MB2aVNs4/edit?usp=sharing > > I do not think any of the contributors to this document have changed > their opinions much since then, and while I think the situation less > dire, the overall scope of these problems outlined above, wider.