Re: [NNagain] Spam filtering

[rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>]

My experience aligns with this even though I've been able to self host 
for ever two decades. There is always a new blocker I have to address so 
my MTA can work with the majors. My regex and header checks is updated 
basically every few days (regex pattern matching is a "use it or lose 
it" thing so this keeps me practiced up.)

One of the reasons for self hosting was to maintain privacy. 
Unfortunately, that's not possible because everybody else use free 
services that will data mine my email too, i.e. privacy has to be end to 
end otherwise there is none.

Bob
> This has gone from mere cost-shifting to protocol takeover.
> Self-hosting is essentially dead because you are guaranteed to get
> filtered by Outlook and Gmail, which means that there is de facto
> embrace-and-extend -- "best viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600"
> but for a core standard.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:48 PM Hal Murray via Nnagain
> <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
>> [Was Amtrack]
>> 
>>> 2) I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is
>> vanishing into
>>> spam boxes.
>> 
>>> What of the 10s of thousands of other emails that have come over
>> the years
>>> not just from lists.bufferbloat.net [1] but from people trying
>> honestly to
>>> communicate?
>> 
>> There is/was a good discussion of all the good things that network
>> geeks have
>> done.
>> 
>> How about discussing the things they haven't done?
>> 
>> Spam would be pretty high on my list.  It's tangled up with
>> (in)security -- a
>> lot comes from infected systems or phished accounts.
>> 
>> The current approach to spam is cost shifting.  If you don't pay for
>> your
>> abuse desk, the crap that you send or phishing sites you host...,
>> means that
>> the rest of the net has to spend more on defense.
>> 
>> Anybody remember Spamford Wallace?  He was going to setup a spam
>> friendly ISP.
>> Nobody would connect to him.  I wonder what would happen if a few
>> ISPs that
>> host a lot of abuse had  more troubles getting connected to the net.
>> Would a
>> few well publicized examples be enough to spread the word?
>> 
>> High on my list would be dis/mis-information.  The business model
>> seems to be
>> to show customers things that will keep them online so you can show
>> them more
>> ads.  Gues what does that?
>> 
>> Is this also cost shifting?  It's society as a whole that has to pay
>> for the
>> disruption caused by bogus information.
>> 
>> --
>> These are my opinions.  I hate spam.
>> 
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