From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29B9B3B29D for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 243691B31F; Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com 243691B31F DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1698441507; bh=ze1UAGTyaGfVUU/3Mpq/Ul4lxzKpI9NeQJ9W781Jps8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=FwAUYX3Mn+UUyR4FoSXDSkeB3D0MMcRi8RuN/h4rOTK2VBnsPvjZBZHlVQRIOKGiY 3sF7w/hODv+ZV4wCkqCLniuKogecY6NAtRSwtMN4/toDpd9Q71LPUdf8ejSrzA7KoI /Cr09VofilY1RfL4JKknM2hEd4sLgBpIKRn49q1s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:18:27 -0700 From: rjmcmahon To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_a?= =?UTF-8?Q?spects_heard_this_time!?= In-Reply-To: <8f7e749d-d6d1-4803-af6f-58c3b6acb469@3kitty.org> References: <8f7e749d-d6d1-4803-af6f-58c3b6acb469@3kitty.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [NNagain] An Amtrak trip through the real world yesterday X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2023 21:18:28 -0000 I received Nathan's email through my personal server & MTA. I've been running my own MTA since 2000. It's a non trivial amount of work to keep it useful & working. Many list providers went out of business likely because the cost to run them exceeded revenues. The majors read everyone's email via ML. One may need to get through may be to make sure the content of an email will trigger a high value targeted ad so the email has monetary value for the "free" email service provider. We get what we get when somebody else actually pays our bills. Every email sent is a customer match opportunity which suggests the incentives are less on source side pays and more on source side triggers ads. Bob > On 10/27/23 12:37, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: > >> I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is >> vanishing into spam boxes. As the administrator, I check my logs, >> the email was accepted, it is not in any public spam blockers like >> RBL, and I have no idea what to do or who to contact or what >> algorithm to bypass to make sure the mail gets through. > > I've never understood how spam filters operate. As an end-user, it > does seem to me that email has been getting less reliable over the > decades. > > I've digitally signed this message. Perhaps that helps get through > the filters? Can nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net sign its messages? I > realize email signing is likely imperfect for hardcore security needs. > Why don't more people sign their email? > > Jack Haverty > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain