From dave.taht at gmail.com  Tue May 22 19:04:14 2012
From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 19:04:14 -0700
Subject: on vacation til june 4
Message-ID: <CAA93jw47vF46X3P+HsmO-Bv8Oo_M8YrTgY5BXpvPQtPaJigvrw@mail.gmail.com>

Enough data has come in to satisfy me that with all the improvements
in Linux over the last year, and with BQL, codel and fq_codel, that
we've won a major battle in the war against bufferbloat.

Sure, cerowrt's not fully baked, but...

 I'll GLADLY settle for Linux 3.3 and fq_codel in ALL of openwrt.
Which is what has happened. That was/is the main goal of cerowrt - to
do valuable research - that could be pushed upstream. And we've done
that.

I hope to see more distros adopt fq_codel as their default qdisc.

AS OF NOW: I'm going to go sleep in a yurt by the water for at least a
week, and not think about *anything* computer related. I've got a
couple music gigs lined up, but that's it.

Thank you all for your help over the last 16 months!

If I missed you in this credits list, let me know offlist.

http://europa.lab.bufferbloat.net/cerowrt/credits.html

Adios.

-- 
Dave T?ht
N/A

PS I am not sure if anyone understands the Rodan statue that I have
been using as the inspiration for this latest attempt at cerowrt:

     http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Wiki

http://www.rodin-web.org/works/1881_caryatid.htm - If you've read
stranger in a strange land, you'll understand.

From esr at thyrsus.com  Tue May 22 20:30:42 2012
From: esr at thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:30:42 -0400
Subject: [Thumbgps-devel] on vacation til june 4
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw47vF46X3P+HsmO-Bv8Oo_M8YrTgY5BXpvPQtPaJigvrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA93jw47vF46X3P+HsmO-Bv8Oo_M8YrTgY5BXpvPQtPaJigvrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120523033042.GA30512@thyrsus.com>

Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com>:
> AS OF NOW: I'm going to go sleep in a yurt by the water for at least a
> week, and not think about *anything* computer related. I've got a
> couple music gigs lined up, but that's it.

Music gigs, eh?  Right on.  You have been working your ass off, and
Dr. Raymond prescribes for you steak, sunlight, sex, and sleep.  So,
like, you should plough a groupie outdoors, I guess.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

From dave.taht at gmail.com  Fri May 25 13:45:04 2012
From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 21:45:04 +0100
Subject: Luigi Rizzo and P.Valente's Analysis of fair queueing schedulers in
	Real Systems - published today!
Message-ID: <CAA93jw7DUs9mRWH=odeF6g5CnYFt8EZWQkSkNAGKdOFhO-9cWw@mail.gmail.com>

Luigi Rizzo and P. Valente just put out an in-depth analysis, with
formulations, and quantifications of the behavior of fair queueing
schedulers in the *real world*, where devices, drivers, and OSes have
their own buffering and quantums to deal with.

Please see:

http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/papers/20120525-sched-fifo.pdf

Well worth tossing on your portable devices and reading over the
holiday weekend.

Luigi has much else of interest on his research pages, including
explorations of netmap (a natural successor to VJ's network channels
concept), QFQ, and power proportional routing:

http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/research.html

-- 
Dave T?ht
SKYPE: davetaht
US Tel: 1-239-829-5608
http://www.bufferbloat.net

From timekeepingntplist at techstarship.com  Wed May 23 07:09:50 2012
From: timekeepingntplist at techstarship.com (Ron Frazier (NTP))
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:09:50 -0000
Subject: [Thumbgps-devel] on vacation til june 4
In-Reply-To: <20120523033042.GA30512@thyrsus.com>
References: <CAA93jw47vF46X3P+HsmO-Bv8Oo_M8YrTgY5BXpvPQtPaJigvrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120523033042.GA30512@thyrsus.com>
Message-ID: <4FBCEFA6.8010109@techstarship.com>

Hi all,

Here is a link to a video of a presentation ESR did at a Java Group 
Meeting in Philly.  I don't know the date.  It's pretty cool.  Scroll to 
about 40 minutes in to hear about bufferbloat and the thumbgps.  Almost 
everyone reading this might know about it, but in case they don't, I 
thought I'd post it.

https://plus.google.com/118131797905622113230/posts/FBTdvYhR8qS

Sincerely,

Ron

-- 

(To whom it may concern.  My email address has changed.  Replying to former
messages prior to 03/31/12 with my personal address will go to the wrong
address.  Please send all personal correspondence to the new address.)

(PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, don't be concerned.
I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy mailing lists and
such.  I don't always see new messages very quickly.  If you need a
reply and have not heard from me in 1 - 2 weeks, send your message again.)

Ron Frazier
timekeepingdude AT techstarship.com


From dave.taht at gmail.com  Tue May 22 22:04:14 2012
From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 19:04:14 -0700
Subject: on vacation til june 4
Message-ID: <CAA93jw47vF46X3P+HsmO-Bv8Oo_M8YrTgY5BXpvPQtPaJigvrw@mail.gmail.com>

Enough data has come in to satisfy me that with all the improvements
in Linux over the last year, and with BQL, codel and fq_codel, that
we've won a major battle in the war against bufferbloat.

Sure, cerowrt's not fully baked, but...

 I'll GLADLY settle for Linux 3.3 and fq_codel in ALL of openwrt.
Which is what has happened. That was/is the main goal of cerowrt - to
do valuable research - that could be pushed upstream. And we've done
that.

I hope to see more distros adopt fq_codel as their default qdisc.

AS OF NOW: I'm going to go sleep in a yurt by the water for at least a
week, and not think about *anything* computer related. I've got a
couple music gigs lined up, but that's it.

Thank you all for your help over the last 16 months!

If I missed you in this credits list, let me know offlist.

http://europa.lab.bufferbloat.net/cerowrt/credits.html

Adios.

-- 
Dave Täht
N/A

PS I am not sure if anyone understands the Rodan statue that I have
been using as the inspiration for this latest attempt at cerowrt:

     http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Wiki

http://www.rodin-web.org/works/1881_caryatid.htm - If you've read
stranger in a strange land, you'll understand.


From esr at thyrsus.com  Tue May 22 23:30:42 2012
From: esr at thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 23:30:42 -0400
Subject: [Thumbgps-devel] on vacation til june 4
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw47vF46X3P+HsmO-Bv8Oo_M8YrTgY5BXpvPQtPaJigvrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA93jw47vF46X3P+HsmO-Bv8Oo_M8YrTgY5BXpvPQtPaJigvrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120523033042.GA30512@thyrsus.com>

Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com>:
> AS OF NOW: I'm going to go sleep in a yurt by the water for at least a
> week, and not think about *anything* computer related. I've got a
> couple music gigs lined up, but that's it.

Music gigs, eh?  Right on.  You have been working your ass off, and
Dr. Raymond prescribes for you steak, sunlight, sex, and sleep.  So,
like, you should plough a groupie outdoors, I guess.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>


From dave.taht at gmail.com  Fri May 25 16:45:04 2012
From: dave.taht at gmail.com (Dave Taht)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 21:45:04 +0100
Subject: Luigi Rizzo and P.Valente's Analysis of fair queueing schedulers in
	Real Systems - published today!
Message-ID: <CAA93jw7DUs9mRWH=odeF6g5CnYFt8EZWQkSkNAGKdOFhO-9cWw@mail.gmail.com>

Luigi Rizzo and P. Valente just put out an in-depth analysis, with
formulations, and quantifications of the behavior of fair queueing
schedulers in the *real world*, where devices, drivers, and OSes have
their own buffering and quantums to deal with.

Please see:

http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/papers/20120525-sched-fifo.pdf

Well worth tossing on your portable devices and reading over the
holiday weekend.

Luigi has much else of interest on his research pages, including
explorations of netmap (a natural successor to VJ's network channels
concept), QFQ, and power proportional routing:

http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/research.html

-- 
Dave Täht
SKYPE: davetaht
US Tel: 1-239-829-5608
http://www.bufferbloat.net


From timekeepingntplist at techstarship.com  Wed May 23 10:09:50 2012
From: timekeepingntplist at techstarship.com (Ron Frazier (NTP))
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:09:50 -0000
Subject: [Thumbgps-devel] on vacation til june 4
In-Reply-To: <20120523033042.GA30512@thyrsus.com>
References: <CAA93jw47vF46X3P+HsmO-Bv8Oo_M8YrTgY5BXpvPQtPaJigvrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120523033042.GA30512@thyrsus.com>
Message-ID: <4FBCEFA6.8010109@techstarship.com>

Hi all,

Here is a link to a video of a presentation ESR did at a Java Group 
Meeting in Philly.  I don't know the date.  It's pretty cool.  Scroll to 
about 40 minutes in to hear about bufferbloat and the thumbgps.  Almost 
everyone reading this might know about it, but in case they don't, I 
thought I'd post it.

https://plus.google.com/118131797905622113230/posts/FBTdvYhR8qS

Sincerely,

Ron

-- 

(To whom it may concern.  My email address has changed.  Replying to former
messages prior to 03/31/12 with my personal address will go to the wrong
address.  Please send all personal correspondence to the new address.)

(PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, don't be concerned.
I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy mailing lists and
such.  I don't always see new messages very quickly.  If you need a
reply and have not heard from me in 1 - 2 weeks, send your message again.)

Ron Frazier
timekeepingdude AT techstarship.com