[Bloat] What is fairness, anyway? was: Re: finally... winning on wired!

[Dave Taht]

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> Le dimanche 05 février 2012 à 02:43 +0200, Jonathan Morton a écrit :
>> > On 5 Feb, 2012, at 2:24 am, George B. wrote:
>> >
>> > > I have yet another question to ask:  On a system where the vast
>> > > majority of traffic is receive traffic, what can it really do to
>> > > mitigate congestion?  I send a click, I get a stream.  There doesn't
>> > > seem to be a lot I can do from my side to manage congestion in the
>> > > remote server's transmit side of the link if I am an overall
>> > receiver
>> > > of traffic.
>> > >
>> > > If I am sending a bunch of traffic, sure, I can do a lot with queue
>> > > management and early detection.  But if I am receiving, it pretty
>> > much
>> > > just is what is and I have to play the stream that I am served.
>> >
>> > There are two good things you can do.
>> >
>> > 1) Pressure your ISP to implement managed queueing and ECN at the
>> > head-end device, eg. DSLAM or cell-tower, and preferably at other
>> > vulnerable points in their network too.
>>
>> Yep, but unfortunately many servers (and clients) dont even
>> initiate/accept ECN
>>
>> > 2) Implement TCP *receive* window management.  This prevents the TCP
>> > algorithm on the sending side from attempting to find the size of the
>> > queues in the network.  Search the list archives for "Blackpool" to
>> > see my take on this technique in the form of a kernel patch.  More
>> > sophisticated algorithms are doubtless possible.
>> >
>> You can tweak max receiver window to be really small.
>>
>> # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem
>> 4096    87380   4127616
>> # echo "4096 16384 40000" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem
>>
>> A third one : Install an AQM on ingress side.
>>
>> Basically you can delay some flows, so that TCP acks are also delayed.
>>
>> Example of a basic tc script (probably too basic, but effective)
>>
>> ETH=eth0
>> IFB=ifb0
>> LOCALNETS="hard.coded.ip.addresseses/netmasks"
>> # Put a limit a bit under real one, to 'own' the queue
>> RATE="rate 7Mbit bandwidth 7Mbit maxburst 80 minburst 40"
>> ALLOT="allot 8000" # Depending on how old is your kernel...
>>
>>

> A subtlety here is that several technologies in use today
> (wireless-n, cable, green ethernet, GRO) are highly 'bursty',
> and I'd regard minburst, maxburst as something that needs to be calculated
> as a respectable fraction of the underlying rate.
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>> modprobe ifb
>> ip link set dev $IFB up
>>
>> tc qdisc add dev $ETH ingress 2>/dev/null
>>
>> tc filter add dev $ETH parent ffff: \
>>   protocol ip u32 match u32 0 0 flowid 1:1 action mirred egress \
>>   redirect dev $IFB
>>
>> tc qdisc del dev $IFB root
>>
>>
>> # Lets say our NIC is 100Mbit
>> tc qdisc add dev $IFB root handle 1: cbq avpkt 1000 \
>>    rate 100Mbit bandwidth 100Mbit
>>
>> tc class add dev $IFB parent 1: classid 1:1 cbq allot 10000 \
>>        mpu 64 rate 100Mbit prio 1 \
>>        bandwidth 100Mbit maxburst 150 avpkt 1500 bounded
>>
>> # Class for traffic coming from Internet : limited to X Mbits
>> tc class add dev $IFB parent 1:1 classid 1:11 \
>>        cbq $ALLOT mpu 64      \
>>        $RATE prio 2 \
>>        avpkt 1400 bounded
>>
>> tc qdisc add dev $IFB parent 1:11 handle 11: sfq
>>
>>
>> # Traffic from machines in our LAN : no limit
>> for privnet in $LOCALNETS
>> do
>>        tc filter add dev $IFB parent 1: protocol ip prio 2 u32 \
>>                match ip src $privnet flowid 1:1
>> done
>>
>> tc filter add dev $IFB parent 1: protocol ip prio 2 u32 \
>>        match ip protocol 0 0x00 flowid 1:11
>>
>>
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