[Bloat] AQM and PPP on Linux

[Sebastian Moeller]

Hi Simon,

On Jul 28, 2015, at 16:31 , Simon Barber <simon at superduper.net> wrote:

> The issue is that Codel tries to keep the delay low, and will start dropping when sojourn time grows above 5ms for 100ms. For longer RTT links more delay is necessary to avoid underutilizing the link. This is due to the multiplicative decrease - it's worst with Reno, where the halving of cWind means that you need to have a full BDP of data in the buffer to avoid the link going idle when cWind is halved. With longer RTTs this means more delay than Codel allows is required to avoid a throughput hit. The worst case happens when a single flow is controlled, but that can be a common situation. My proposal is to sense and have the target value in Codel automatically adjust when this worst case scenario happens - which would mitigate most of the downside.

	According to theory you should adapt interval if at all and the set target between 5-10% of that interval. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-aqm-codel/?include_text=1 sections 4.3 and 4.4. Now that could all be off.The upshot is increasing target as a response for long RTTs will sacrifice latency again for bandwidth, pretty much that the avoidance of is codel’s claim to fame ;)

Best Regards
	Sebastian


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> On July 28, 2015 7:21:56 AM Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 07:11 -0700, Simon Barber wrote:
>> > The main danger is the negative effects on performance of using Codel. You
>> > may experience low throughput on high RTT links.
>> 
>> Really ? I've never seen this, unless you mess with codel qdisc
>> attributes maybe.
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>> (Some guys seem to not really understand whole concept of a queue, and
>> set very low values for 'limit' attribute for example)
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