[Bloat] ADSL, ATM drivers, bloat, education & confusion

[Sebastian Moeller]

Hi Kevin,

On Jun 6, 2015, at 17:46 , Kevin Darbyshire-Bryant <kevin at darbyshire-bryant.me.uk> wrote:

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> On 06/06/15 15:29, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
>> 1) ATM interface 'backpressure' - is this Byte Queue Limits? (ifxmips_atm)
>> 	Is there actual backpreassure from your ATM diver at all? As rar as I know france’s free had their boxes ATM driver modified to keep buffering low, and I believe David Woodhouse dd some work on another driver/the generic ATM layer, but I am not sure that any ATM driver actually defaults to sane buffering and sane back pressure.
> That was my sort of point.  On 'planet Kevin' (don't go there) the ATM driver would *know* the link is busy, or how many bytes it still had to shove over it and could offer some clue back up the stack to not bloat.  I thought that's what BQL was supposed to do.  Or another way of viewing:  If ethernet interfaces ideally implement BQL why shouldn't ATM?

	Ah, I fully agree that is how I would like it to be as well; unfortunately that is not sufficient to make it happen though :(

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>> 	How this is supposed to work? In an ideal work the CPE and the DSLAM would not over-buffer and www would not have to dedicate grey matter to work around their sort-commings ;) But as far as I can tell DSL sync rates for many lines are stable over weeks to months, so setting the shaper rarely is sufficient. Like when you notice that latency under load got worse…
> Well again on 'planet Kevin' the CPE is OpenWrt.  

	A planet I like to live on from what I learned about it.

> Apparenly it's under my control but I'm fighting my own lack of abilities, trying to sprint a marathon before I can even crawl.  Looking at kernel sources when I can barely get 'hello world' to compile & run is asking for trouble :-)  About a day ago I didn't know what an SKB was. https://www.coverfire.com/articles/queueing-in-the-linux-network-stack/ has been a revelation.

	This sounds like you embark on fixing the del driver in your modem; more power to you then.

Best Regards
	Sebastian

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>> Best Regards
>> 	Sebastian
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