[Bloat] Bufferbloat and the policy debate on packet loss in nanog

Jim Gettys jg at freedesktop.org
Sun Mar 1 20:10:52 EST 2015

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Aaron Wood <woody77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> But until the silicon vendors update _their_ forks of OpenWRT,
> commercially available home routers won't have these benefits.  Because the
> home router market is dominated by packaged reference designs from one of a
> very small number of companies that actually make all the chipsets (Dave, I
> know you know this, I'm mostly just choir-preaching myself).

​I was talking to one of the major chipset vendors just this last Thursday.​

We have to fork-lift upgrade all of these devices, ASAP.

And change how we build/maintain these systems, and do business in embedded

See my Berkman Center talk here:


​We'll be struggling with the policies issues the rest of our lives (which
is why I presented to the Berkman Center).

Also read Dan Geer's policy piece in Lawfare the Lawfare blog.


Bruce Schneier's piece in Wired on the IOT is also very good, but aimed at
a mass audience.

I will be publishing and updated version of the talk very soon; the
situation is yet more perilous since June, and my explanations clearer.



> -Aaron
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht at gmail.com> wrote:
>> There's nothing new here, but it was a nice rant to get out of my system:
>> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.nanog/128201
>> Of late, I have been taking a page from Linus Torvalds' playbook, in
>> realizing that "on the internet, no-one can hear you being subtle",
>> and BOY, am I done with that.
>> --
>> Dave Täht
>> Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again!
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb
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