[Bloat] fixing bufferbloat in 2017

[David Lang]

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, Sebastian Moeller wrote:

>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 19:09, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike at swm.pp.se> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016, David Lang wrote:
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>>> Deploy what we already know to work on the real edge devices and things get vastly simpler.
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> 	One problem will be that the actual edge devices are often ISP supplied 
> and hence extremely cost sensitive; combined with increasing bandwidth in many 
> ISP offerings, having CPEs that can perform ingress shaping at “modern” rates 
> looks challenging if the same CPEs also need to be very cheap. Egress shaping 
> is a different kettle of fish though and for most asymmetric plans the CPE 
> either should have enough punch or might be amendable to a BQL-like solution 
> that could e actually relatively computationally cheap. But for that to happen 
> we would need to convince ISPs and/or CPE chipset manufacturer (or better 
> those engineers that create the drivers for the SDKs).

if the ISPs are on board, you don't need to do ingres shaping, the ISP does that 
on their end.

but even if you don't do any ingres shaping, just handling egress will make a 
huge difference.

David Lang

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>> Sure! Sounds Great. How?
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> 	Getting a big ISP on board would already be a great start, if combined with a tiny bit of PR…?
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> Best Regards
> 	Sebastian
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