[Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat in 2017

[Dave Taht]

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:48 AM, David Collier-Brown <davec-b at rogers.com> wrote:
> A short RFC with a clear summary would change the ground on which we stand.
> Include me in if you're planning one.

Call me grumpy. Call me disaffected. But it's been 4 years into the
IETF RFC process with codel and fq_codel with still no end in sight.

I presently have no hope that a "short RFC" can enter and exit the
IETF in a reasonable amount of time, without being watered down into
unreadability.


>
> --dave
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>
> On 28/11/16 01:00 AM, Jan Ceuleers wrote:
>>
>> On 28/11/16 03:16, Jim Gettys wrote:
>>>
>>> Ookla may have made themselves long term irrelevant by their recent
>>> behavior.  When your customers start funding development of a
>>> replacement (as Comcast has), you know they aren't happy.
>>>
>>> So I don't sweat Ookla: helping out the Comcast test effort is probably
>>> the best way to get bufferbloat in front of everyone, and best yet, the
>>> code for the tests is out there.
>>
>> I do hope you're right Jim, but I still worry that Ookla is heavily
>> entrenched in carriers' test labs. This position has, I believe, come
>> about not because of Ookla's expertise in network testing but rather
>> because of market pull (i.e. speedtest.net's huge popularity with
>> end-users).
>>
>> As long as both of these positions remain (i.e. Ookla's mind share of
>> end-users and their resulting market share in the labs of large
>> purchasers of CPE) their lack of interest in bufferbloat is going to
>> keep this topic off the agenda in a large part of the industry.
>>
>> Unless Ookla can be coerced somehow.
>>
>> I have previously suggested standardising network throughput testing
>> methods and "grading" criteria. If there's an RFC on this subject
>> carriers are going to be interested in conformance to it and will
>> pressure their suppliers (of network testing gear, of CPE etc).
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